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Desmo Paul wrote:
Does anyone know about the British Transport Commission Act 1949? I am told that it prevents anyone obtaining an easement over land owned by the BTC or their successors. The Land Registry says "Since the passing of the British Transport Commission Act 1949, it has not been possible to acquire a right of way by prescription over land owned by the commission and forming an access or approach to, among other things, any station, depot, dock or harbour belonging to the commission (s.57, British Transport Commission Act 1949). The references to the commissionmust now be read to include successor rail authorities and the BritishWaterways Board." I cannot find any version of the act and am wondering if anyone has the precise text? Hmm, I found Railway and Canal Commission (Abolition) Act 1949 (c.11) At http://www.statutelaw.gov.uk/ Which transferred functions from the aforementioned commission to the courts. Can't see a British Transport Commission Act though. Could it be a case of the wrong title? I can't find a s57 in that act though, only goes up to s8. Have you tried the '47 Transport Act? Following from Clive's post: In the Crossrail Act 2008, I found reference to: British Transport Commission Act 1949 (c. xxix) 1949 c. 29 is, according to statuelaw.gov.uk, "The Consular Conventions Act 1949" ... maybe I don't understand the numbering, or I'm getting the Roman numerals wrong, but I think xxix = x + x + (x - i) = 10 + 10 + (10 - 1) = 10 + 10 + 9 = 29? I also found a reference to the BTC Act 1949 in: The Railways Act 1993 (Consequential Modifications) (No. 2) Order 1999 (No. 1998) In fact, when I do a full text search, I find 61 results that reference the British Transport Commission Act 1949, the latest being "The Penalties for Disorderly Behaviour (Amount of Penalty) (Amendment) Order 2009 (No. 83)" which specifies the amount of a fixed penalty for certain offences defined in the 1949 act. I've emailed the contact email address at statutelaw.gov.uk to ask why the 1949 act isn't on the database. Rgds Denis McMahon |
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On Fri, 1 Jan 2010, Denis McMahon wrote:
Following from Clive's post: In the Crossrail Act 2008, I found reference to: British Transport Commission Act 1949 (c. xxix) 1949 c. 29 is, according to statuelaw.gov.uk, "The Consular Conventions Act 1949" ... maybe I don't understand the numbering, or I'm getting the Roman numerals wrong, but I think xxix = x + x + (x - i) = 10 + 10 + (10 - 1) = 10 + 10 + 9 = 29? I think there are separate numbering sequences for general public acts and local acts, with the former having arabic numerals and the latter lowercase roman. The British Transport Commission Act is a local act, but you've looked for public acts. tom -- There are many ways of going crazy, but the most valuable of them is this one which makes a genius out of an ordinary man. -- Claudio Grondi |
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Tom Anderson wrote:
I think there are separate numbering sequences for general public acts and local acts, with the former having arabic numerals and the latter lowercase roman. The British Transport Commission Act is a local act, but you've looked for public acts. I specified all legislation, and the search won't accept roman numerals. Rgds Denis McMahon |
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On Fri, 1 Jan 2010, Denis McMahon wrote:
Tom Anderson wrote: I think there are separate numbering sequences for general public acts and local acts, with the former having arabic numerals and the latter lowercase roman. The British Transport Commission Act is a local act, but you've looked for public acts. I specified all legislation, and the search won't accept roman numerals. And if the act was in the database, that would have found it, since the site does correctly find roman-numbered acts from arabic-numbered queries. I was just trying to explain why there was a number 29 law that wasn't the one we're looking for. tom -- Mathematics is the door and the key to the sciences. -- Roger Bacon |
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Tom Anderson wrote:
On Fri, 1 Jan 2010, Denis McMahon wrote: Tom Anderson wrote: I think there are separate numbering sequences for general public acts and local acts, with the former having arabic numerals and the latter lowercase roman. The British Transport Commission Act is a local act, but you've looked for public acts. I specified all legislation, and the search won't accept roman numerals. And if the act was in the database, that would have found it, since the site does correctly find roman-numbered acts from arabic-numbered queries. I was just trying to explain why there was a number 29 law that wasn't the one we're looking for. Indeed, I now have a response from opsi: "The Act in question is a local Act and therefore is not readily available in electronic format. [deleted text] The OPSI website contains a list of Major Collections of Local Legislation in the United Kingdom. Please use the following link and scroll down to about the middle of the page. http://www.opsi.gov.uk/chron-tables/...-to-local-acts Many of these will also hold general legislation." The link might be of interest to the OP. It contains a list of places where he might be able to consult a printed copy. Rgds Denis McMahon |
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On Mon, 4 Jan 2010, Denis McMahon wrote:
Tom Anderson wrote: On Fri, 1 Jan 2010, Denis McMahon wrote: Tom Anderson wrote: I think there are separate numbering sequences for general public acts and local acts, with the former having arabic numerals and the latter lowercase roman. The British Transport Commission Act is a local act, but you've looked for public acts. I specified all legislation, and the search won't accept roman numerals. And if the act was in the database, that would have found it, since the site does correctly find roman-numbered acts from arabic-numbered queries. I was just trying to explain why there was a number 29 law that wasn't the one we're looking for. Indeed, I now have a response from opsi: "The Act in question is a local Act and therefore is not readily available in electronic format. [deleted text] The OPSI website contains a list of Major Collections of Local Legislation in the United Kingdom. Please use the following link and scroll down to about the middle of the page. http://www.opsi.gov.uk/chron-tables/...-to-local-acts Many of these will also hold general legislation." I got a closely related reply. Here's more of its text: The Act in question is a local Act and therefore is not readily available in electronic format. Although the Statute Law Database does hold Local Acts enacted after 1991, these are not revised. There are a very small selection of Pre-1991 Local Acts that are revised by the SLD Editorial team, but the criteria for doing this is lost in the mists of time! They were inherited from the text of Statutes in Force, but there is nothing in the guide to the edition which explains why they were included. The good news is that we are planning to launch a new website later this year which merges the functionality of OPSI and SLD websites and it is our intention to include pre-1991 Local Acts, but they will only be available in their original form i.e. they won't be revised. So basically, local acts are very much second-class citizens, and will remain so. When local acts are things like the Ormskirk and Wrabness Ferry Slipway Act 1972, fair enough. But this act is actually a pretty major piece of legislation, more important in its concrete impact than most general public acts, i'd guess (it's the basis for the BTP, for instance), and it seems a bit of an omission not to have it, or to have any intention of providing it in amended form. Still, the OPSI/SLD teams have a big job and a small budget, so they can't do everything that we might like. tom -- Swords not words! |
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On 4 Jan, 22:24, Tom Anderson wrote:
On Mon, 4 Jan 2010, Denis McMahon wrote: Tom Anderson wrote: On Fri, 1 Jan 2010, Denis McMahon wrote: Tom Anderson wrote: I think there are separate numbering sequences for general public acts and local acts, with the former having arabic numerals and the latter lowercase roman. The British Transport Commission Act is a local act, but you've looked for public acts. I specified all legislation, and the search won't accept roman numerals. And if the act was in the database, that would have found it, since the site does correctly find roman-numbered acts from arabic-numbered queries. I was just trying to explain why there was a number 29 law that wasn't the one we're looking for. Indeed, I now have a response from opsi: "The Act in question is a local Act and therefore is not readily available in electronic format. [deleted text] The OPSI website contains a list of Major Collections of Local Legislation in the United Kingdom. *Please use the following link and scroll down to about the middle of the page. http://www.opsi.gov.uk/chron-tables/...-to-local-acts Many of these will also hold general legislation." I got a closely related reply. Here's more of its text: * The Act in question is a local Act and therefore is not readily available * in electronic format. Although the Statute Law Database does hold Local * Acts enacted after 1991, these are not revised. There are a very small * selection of Pre-1991 Local Acts that are revised by the SLD Editorial * team, but the criteria for doing this is lost in the mists of time! They * were inherited from the text of Statutes in Force, but there is nothing * in the guide to the edition which explains why they were included. * The good news is that we are planning to launch a new website later this * year which merges the functionality of OPSI and SLD websites * and it is our intention to include pre-1991 Local Acts, but they will * only be available in their original form i.e. they won't be revised. So basically, local acts are very much second-class citizens, and will remain so. When local acts are things like the Ormskirk and Wrabness Ferry Slipway Act 1972, fair enough. But this act is actually a pretty major piece of legislation, more important in its concrete impact than most general public acts, i'd guess (it's the basis for the BTP, for instance), and it seems a bit of an omission not to have it, or to have any intention of providing it in amended form. Still, the OPSI/SLD teams have a big job and a small budget, so they can't do everything that we might like. tom -- Swords not words! The wonderful TSO have sent me the hard copy. Looks like photocpied from somewhere. Two staples down the side to hold it together. It is indeed the item with reference to BTP. If anyone needs an extract I am sure I can pdf and send if permissable..... |
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