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Paul Terry wrote:
So the interesting legal point - can a TOC legally enforce a penalty fare if it can be shown that the correct ticket was not available to passengers at the starting station? Probably not (or at least the PF can be appealed against). The DfT make the situation clear he http://www.dft.gov.uk/pgr/rail/legis...policya?page=7 Those rules don't explicitly take into account the nuances of the machines not being able to issue all reasonable tickets. The touch screen machines can generally handle any turn up & go fare, and the old button machines usually had every single direct station and reasonable interchange on them, with permit to travel machines covering some of the gaps, but nowadays a lot of machines aren't But with OEPs rapidly becoming available on automatic ticket machines across London, it would probably be necessary to establish that the ticket machine was broken and there was no other one available nearby. Yes but as stated elsewhere on the thread there are a number of stations and operators who don't have the Oyster pads on the machines - National Express doesn't have them at Forest Gate or Stratford; Barking (which operator?) didn't have them before Christmas. Okay Stratford has TfL machines as well but the others, particularly Forest Gate which has only one machine and isn't staffed in late evenings, don't. I'm not sure the presence of nearby newsagents with different opening times who have Oyster facilities would suffice as alternatives. (And also yesterday when in one of the ones here I asked for reference if I could get an "Oyster Extension Permit" there and the man at the till looked at me blankly so I said that it seemed to only be available at stations. So a further question is whether passengers can be held responsible if they can't get the product because somewhere along the line the information has not reached the till staff.) So the scenario is not the deliberate or accidental dodger being caught unaware but rather the conscientious passenger who is unable to get the OEP because it's not easily available and certainly not at the station where they're beginning their journey. |
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