"Oliver Keating" wrote in message ...
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But of course free market forces only work if people are charged for the
services (ie roads) that they use. Currently roads are free(1)

(1) So you may argue about fuel duty etc.etc. but this is unbelievably crude
in terms of road pricing as to be ignored.
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Here here! Let's price the riff-raff in their mass-market hatchbacks
and super-minis off the roads. Let them use buses. Give the roads
back to the wealthy!

Matt B.
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Here here! Let's price the riff-raff in their mass-market hatchbacks
and super-minis off the roads. Let them use buses. Give the roads
back to the wealthy!

You'll be driving those lorries yourself then as the drivers won't be
able to get to work?


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"Matt Bourke" wrote in message
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"Oliver Keating" wrote in message
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But of course free market forces only work if people are charged for the
services (ie roads) that they use. Currently roads are free(1)

(1) So you may argue about fuel duty etc.etc. but this is unbelievably
crude
in terms of road pricing as to be ignored.
...

Here here! Let's price the riff-raff in their mass-market hatchbacks
and super-minis off the roads. Let them use buses. Give the roads
back to the wealthy!

Yes that is a problem. Perhaps the tax you pay could be based on as a
percentage determined by your car's value and CO2 output, rather like with
company car tax. That would eliminate the regressive nature of the tax.

Matt B.
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"Oliver Keating" wrote in message ...
"Matt Bourke" wrote in message
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"Oliver Keating" wrote in message
...
...
But of course free market forces only work if people are charged for the
services (ie roads) that they use. Currently roads are free(1)

(1) So you may argue about fuel duty etc.etc. but this is unbelievably
crude
in terms of road pricing as to be ignored.
...

Here here! Let's price the riff-raff in their mass-market hatchbacks
and super-minis off the roads. Let them use buses. Give the roads
back to the wealthy!

Yes that is a problem. Perhaps the tax you pay could be based on as a
percentage determined by your car's value and CO2 output, rather like with
company car tax. That would eliminate the regressive nature of the tax.

Even based on value and CO2 it discriminates against the poor. The
wealthy will not be affected. If road rationing is required do it
fairly - give each person an annual mileage quota.

Matt B
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"Matt Bourke" wrote in message
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"Oliver Keating" wrote in
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"Matt Bourke" wrote in message
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"Oliver Keating" wrote in
message
...
...
But of course free market forces only work if people are
charged for the
services (ie roads) that they use. Currently roads are free(1)

(1) So you may argue about fuel duty etc.etc. but this is
unbelievably
crude
in terms of road pricing as to be ignored.
...

Here here! Let's price the riff-raff in their mass-market
hatchbacks
and super-minis off the roads. Let them use buses. Give the
roads
back to the wealthy!

Yes that is a problem. Perhaps the tax you pay could be based on
as a
percentage determined by your car's value and CO2 output, rather
like with
company car tax. That would eliminate the regressive nature of the
tax.

Even based on value and CO2 it discriminates against the poor. The
wealthy will not be affected. If road rationing is required do it
fairly - give each person an annual mileage quota.

Matt B
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Now you're talking sense.

Even based on value and CO2 it discriminates against the poor.

Bollox. The poor cannot afford a car - Congestion Charging makes bus
travel quicker, (and cheaper if the proceeds are used to subsidise public
transport), therefore the poor benefit.

"Philip Rudling" wrote in message
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Even based on value and CO2 it discriminates against the poor.

Bollox.

So you think a tax based on car value and CO2 emmissions takes into account
ability yo pay? Explain?

The poor cannot afford a car

Because of artificial costs (VED, Fuel Duty, Insurance, MOT, Congestion
Charges) added by the government.

- Congestion Charging makes bus travel quicker,

There are no buses here.

(and cheaper if the proceeds are used to subsidise public transport),
therefore the poor benefit.

Not where there are no buses.

Matt B