In article ,
(Basil Jet) wrote:

Are there any Highways Agency roads within Greater London other than
small bits of the M1, M3, M4 and M25?

pedant small bits of the M1, M11 M4 and M25

I admit to missing the M11. I thought there was small bits of the M3 and
M40 in Greater London but apparently not. The M25 bits are pretty small, a
couple of stretches of more or less the road itself only in Enfield and
Havering.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

wrote on 17 January 2010 21:58:58 ...
In article ,
(Basil Jet) wrote:

Are there any Highways Agency roads within Greater London other than
small bits of the M1, M3, M4 and M25?

pedant small bits of the M1, M11 M4 and M25

I admit to missing the M11. I thought there was small bits of the M3 and
M40 in Greater London but apparently not. The M25 bits are pretty small, a
couple of stretches of more or less the road itself only in Enfield and
Havering.

Also the M25 between J14 and J15 west of Heathrow is just inside Hillingdon.

The answer to your original question (any Highways Agency roads in
Greater London other than motorways) is "No".

--
Richard J.
(to email me, swap 'uk' and 'yon' in address)

In article ,
(Richard J.) wrote:

wrote on 17 January 2010 21:58:58 ...
In article ,
(Basil Jet) wrote:

Are there any Highways Agency roads within Greater London other than
small bits of the M1, M3, M4 and M25?

pedant small bits of the M1, M11 M4 and M25

I admit to missing the M11. I thought there was small bits of the
M3 and M40 in Greater London but apparently not. The M25 bits are
pretty small, a couple of stretches of more or less the road
itself only in Enfield and Havering.

Also the M25 between J14 and J15 west of Heathrow is just inside
Hillingdon.

Oh yes. I missed that under other detail on the map at first.

The answer to your original question (any Highways Agency roads in
Greater London other than motorways) is "No".

Indeed. All the motorway box remnants (M41 and A102(M)) were demoted some
time ago. Was it in preparation for the Mayor and GLA or well before then?

--
Colin Rosenstiel

Indeed. All the motorway box remnants (M41 and A102(M)) were demoted some
time ago. Was it in preparation for the Mayor and GLA or well before then?

Not sure of the date of those but I was looking at land acquisition
issues at the time of the Mayor/GLA act and it became a real headache
to know who owned what and when so the correct notices were served.

OC

wrote:
In article ,
(Richard J.) wrote:

The answer to your original question (any Highways Agency roads in
Greater London other than motorways) is "No".

Indeed. All the motorway box remnants (M41 and A102(M)) were demoted
some time ago. Was it in preparation for the Mayor and GLA or well
before then?

Apparently the roads were declassified in May 2000, the month before the GLA
started up. Various websites suggest it was because TfL were not getting
powers to look after motorways, and they would have had to stay with the
Highways Agency if left as motorways.

I don't think there is a consistent national policy on this though, because
there are definitely motorways elsewhere that are the responsibility of
local authorities, such as the M275 into Portsmouth.

It may have just seemed a convenient opportunity for DfT to drop the odd
isolated lengths into someone else's lap, ie the GLA. Maybe GLA wouldn't
take them initially, and the downgrade forced them to?

Paul S

In article ,
(Paul Scott) wrote:

Various websites suggest it was because TfL were not getting
powers to look after motorways, and they would have had to stay
with the Highways Agency if left as motorways.

In 2000, all roads within Greater London were transferred to a new body,
"Transport for London". Unfortunately, whoever wrote the legislation made
an error, and TfL have no power to be the authority in charge of
motorways...

www.pathetic.org.uk

--
Paul Cummins - Always a NetHead
Wasting Bandwidth since 1981

On Jan 18, 2:59*pm, (Paul Cummins) wrote:

In 2000, all roads within Greater London were transferred to a new body,
"Transport for London".

That is wrong. Most roads remained with the London Borough councils on
formation of TfL and still remain so. Apart from the former motorways
already mentioned, only the existing Red Routes plus a handful of
roads that later became Red Routes (a small percentage of the total
length of roads in London, albeit the "most important") became the
responsibility of TfL.

Peter

In article ,
(Paul Scott) wrote:

wrote:
In article ,
(Richard J.) wrote:

The answer to your original question (any Highways Agency roads in
Greater London other than motorways) is "No".

Indeed. All the motorway box remnants (M41 and A102(M)) were demoted
some time ago. Was it in preparation for the Mayor and GLA or well
before then?

Apparently the roads were declassified in May 2000, the month
before the GLA started up. Various websites suggest it was because
TfL were not getting powers to look after motorways, and they would
have had to stay with the Highways Agency if left as motorways.

I don't think there is a consistent national policy on this though,
because there are definitely motorways elsewhere that are the
responsibility of local authorities, such as the M275 into
Portsmouth.

Are you sure they don't just look after it as agents for the Highways
Agency? A lot of trunk roads used to be managed like that.

It may have just seemed a convenient opportunity for DfT to drop
the odd isolated lengths into someone else's lap, ie the GLA.
Maybe GLA wouldn't take them initially, and the downgrade forced
them to?

Well, the M41 had some sort of accolade as Britain's shortest motorway.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

In article ,
() wrote:

Well, the M41 had some sort of accolade as Britain's shortest
motorway.

It never was...

at 0.7 miles long, it was a positive giant compared to, for example, the
0.5 mile long former A46(M) and A36(M), and was clearly longer than the
still extant A308(M).

The shortest motorway in the country seems to be the A635(M) in
Manchester. A motorway for a whole 300m.

--
Paul Cummins - Always a NetHead
Wasting Bandwidth since 1981

In article t,
(Paul Cummins) wrote:

In article ,
() wrote:

Well, the M41 had some sort of accolade as Britain's shortest
motorway.

It never was...

at 0.7 miles long, it was a positive giant compared to, for example, the
0.5 mile long former A46(M) and A36(M), and was clearly longer than the
still extant A308(M).

The shortest motorway in the country seems to be the A635(M) in
Manchester. A motorway for a whole 300m.

But they were all motorway-class A roads, not true motorways!

--
Colin Rosenstiel