On Tue, 26 Jan 2010 17:50:20 +0000 someone who may be Paul Corfield
wrote this:-

In other words its not up to the job.

No, in other words it is easy to be wise after the event when
circumstances have changed massively.

I'll put in a good word for it. In my extremely limited experience
of these contraptions they seemed to work well. The only exception
being on one of those bendy bus things where the yellow box wasn't
working (well I assume it wasn't working, as it had a red light on
it and didn't bleep when many people tried it). Given that I would
have had to surf over the heads of the passengers to get to one of
the other yellow boxes on the bus I decided to be a respectable
member of society by not even trying to pay, thus not upsetting many
people. It charged the amount I was expecting on each of the four
days that I used it, though on three days that was just one bus trip
one of which was the one where the yellow box was kaput.

That was before these things were working on many "main line"
trains, so my experience was only the underground in the central
zone and some bus trips outwith the central zone.

Having been warned here, if I was doing a "trainspotter" tour I
would get a paper ticket at the moment. Those responsible should
sort out what seems to be a problem, before even trying to get rid
of paper day tickets.

Those trying to introduce a tracking system for all public transport
journeys, sorry a "smart" card to make the public's life easier,
would also do well to study these problems and see if there is
anything to learn.



--
David Hansen, Edinburgh
I will *always* explain revoked encryption keys, unless RIP prevents me
http://www.opsi.gov.uk/acts/acts2000...#pt3-pb3-l1g54

On Jan 26, 6:21*pm, David Hansen
wrote:

On Tue, 26 Jan 2010 17:50:20 +0000 someone who may be Paul Corfield
wrote this:-

In other words its not up to the job.

No, in other words it is easy to be wise after the event when
circumstances have changed massively.

I'll put in a good word for it. In my extremely limited experience
of these contraptions they seemed to work well. The only exception
being on one of those bendy bus things where the yellow box wasn't
working (well I assume it wasn't working, as it had a red light on
it and didn't bleep when many people tried it). Given that I would
have had to surf over the heads of the passengers to get to one of
the other yellow boxes on the bus I decided to be a respectable
member of society by not even trying to pay, thus not upsetting many
people. It charged the amount I was expecting on each of the four
days that I used it, though on three days that was just one bus trip
one of which was the one where the yellow box was kaput.

On busy bendy buses it's certainly not unknown for pax to hand their
Oyster cards down to others to touch it in for them.


That was before these things were working on many "main line"
trains, so my experience was only the underground in the central
zone and some bus trips outwith the central zone.

Having been warned here, if I was doing a "trainspotter" tour I
would get a paper ticket at the moment. Those responsible should
sort out what seems to be a problem, before even trying to get rid
of paper day *tickets.

There have not been any suggestions that paper day tickets will be got
rid of. (Except in the mind of MIG.)


Those trying to introduce a tracking system for all public transport
journeys, sorry a "smart" card to make the public's life easier,
would also do well to study these problems and see if there is
anything to learn.

Yes, of course.

On 26 Jan, 19:19, Mizter T wrote:
On Jan 26, 6:21*pm, David Hansen
wrote:





On Tue, 26 Jan 2010 17:50:20 +0000 someone who may be Paul Corfield
wrote this:-

In other words its not up to the job.

No, in other words it is easy to be wise after the event when
circumstances have changed massively.

I'll put in a good word for it. In my extremely limited experience
of these contraptions they seemed to work well. The only exception
being on one of those bendy bus things where the yellow box wasn't
working (well I assume it wasn't working, as it had a red light on
it and didn't bleep when many people tried it). Given that I would
have had to surf over the heads of the passengers to get to one of
the other yellow boxes on the bus I decided to be a respectable
member of society by not even trying to pay, thus not upsetting many
people. It charged the amount I was expecting on each of the four
days that I used it, though on three days that was just one bus trip
one of which was the one where the yellow box was kaput.

On busy bendy buses it's certainly not unknown for pax to hand their
Oyster cards down to others to touch it in for them.



That was before these things were working on many "main line"
trains, so my experience was only the underground in the central
zone and some bus trips outwith the central zone.

Having been warned here, if I was doing a "trainspotter" tour I
would get a paper ticket at the moment. Those responsible should
sort out what seems to be a problem, before even trying to get rid
of paper day *tickets.

There have not been any suggestions that paper day tickets will be got
rid of. (Except in the mind of MIG.)

Nope. I still haven't said that. This is becoming Brucesque.

On 26/01/2010 18:21, David Hansen wrote:
On Tue, 26 Jan 2010 17:50:20 +0000 someone who may be Paul Corfield
wrote this:-

In other words its not up to the job.

No, in other words it is easy to be wise after the event when
circumstances have changed massively.

I'll put in a good word for it. In my extremely limited experience
of these contraptions they seemed to work well. The only exception
being on one of those bendy bus things where the yellow box wasn't
working (well I assume it wasn't working, as it had a red light on
it and didn't bleep when many people tried it). Given that I would
have had to surf over the heads of the passengers to get to one of
the other yellow boxes on the bus I decided to be a respectable
member of society by not even trying to pay, thus not upsetting many
people.

In non-bendy buses it is standard to travel free when the thing is
broken. Not sure if people without Oyster would be expected to pay!

--
Arthur Figgis Surrey, UK

On Tue, 26 Jan 2010 11:19:30 -0800 (PST) someone who may be Mizter T
wrote this:-

On busy bendy buses it's certainly not unknown for pax to hand their
Oyster cards down to others to touch it in for them.

There was hardly room to move one's arms, let alone pass a piece of
plastic the length of the bus.

There have not been any suggestions that paper day tickets will be got
rid of. (Except in the mind of MIG.)

All sorts of paper tickets have already been withdrawn. The goal is
no doubt to get rid of them all eventually. They will then not need
to maintain the paper ticket readers.



--
David Hansen, Edinburgh
I will *always* explain revoked encryption keys, unless RIP prevents me
http://www.opsi.gov.uk/acts/acts2000...#pt3-pb3-l1g54

On 27 Jan, 01:47, David Hansen
wrote:
On Tue, 26 Jan 2010 11:19:30 -0800 (PST) someone who may be Mizter T
wrote this:-

On busy bendy buses it's certainly not unknown for pax to hand their
Oyster cards down to others to touch it in for them.

There was hardly room to move one's arms, let alone pass a piece of
plastic the length of the bus.

There have not been any suggestions that paper day tickets will be got
rid of. (Except in the mind of MIG.)

All sorts of paper tickets have already been withdrawn. The goal is
no doubt to get rid of them all eventually. They will then not need
to maintain the paper ticket readers.

--
* David Hansen, Edinburgh
*I will *always* explain revoked encryption keys, unless RIP prevents me
*http://www.opsi.gov.uk/acts/acts2000...#pt3-pb3-l1g54

The magnetic stripe on tickets should eventually be replaced by AZTEC
2D barcodes (as already used by Chiltern and East Coast), which would
also be usable for mobile and print at home tickets. Bus readers may
also have a 2d barcode scanner added.