On Fri, 29 Jan 2010 02:23:38 +0000
Charles Ellson wrote:
It worries me people like you have the vote. You're just another sad sheep who
can't think for himself.

Baaaaaa!

Well done. Keep up the group-think!

B2003

On Fri, 29 Jan 2010 09:27:10 +0000 (UTC) someone who may be
d wrote this:-

If every leftie who waffled on about how much they love multiculturalism
and centralised EU control

I don't recall many people, "leftie" or not, advocating "centralised
EU control."

Of course UK party politicians are double dealing on this. They go
to the EU and encourage/force them to introduce some policy or other
which they know will be unpopular, then the same party politician
(or their replacement) tells the UK public that their hands are tied
by the EU.



--
David Hansen, Edinburgh
I will *always* explain revoked encryption keys, unless RIP prevents me
http://www.opsi.gov.uk/acts/acts2000...#pt3-pb3-l1g54

On Fri, 29 Jan 2010 10:58:15 +0000
David Hansen wrote:
On Fri, 29 Jan 2010 09:27:10 +0000 (UTC) someone who may be
wrote this:-

If every leftie who waffled on about how much they love multiculturalism
and centralised EU control

I don't recall many people, "leftie" or not, advocating "centralised
EU control."

Well it isn't the tories who've handed over a large proportion of our
legal and governmental controls to Brussels in the last decade.

Of course UK party politicians are double dealing on this. They go
to the EU and encourage/force them to introduce some policy or other
which they know will be unpopular, then the same party politician
(or their replacement) tells the UK public that their hands are tied
by the EU.

Wouldn't surprise me.

B2003

On Fri, 29 Jan 2010 11:20:49 +0000 (UTC) someone who may be
d wrote this:-

I don't recall many people, "leftie" or not, advocating "centralised
EU control."

Well it isn't the tories who've handed over a large proportion of our
legal and governmental controls to Brussels in the last decade.

The Tories said that it was all about introducing a single market.
Mrs Thatcher pushed the Single European Act through to further this.
Some Tories did say at the time that it was handing over control to
the EU.




--
David Hansen, Edinburgh
I will *always* explain revoked encryption keys, unless RIP prevents me
http://www.opsi.gov.uk/acts/acts2000...#pt3-pb3-l1g54

On Fri, 29 Jan 2010 11:23:54 +0000
David Hansen wrote:
On Fri, 29 Jan 2010 11:20:49 +0000 (UTC) someone who may be
wrote this:-

I don't recall many people, "leftie" or not, advocating "centralised
EU control."

Well it isn't the tories who've handed over a large proportion of our
legal and governmental controls to Brussels in the last decade.

The Tories said that it was all about introducing a single market.

A single economic trading zone is completely different to a single governmental
zone.

Mrs Thatcher pushed the Single European Act through to further this.

AFAIK and as far as I can find out via google, that didn't have anything to
say about handing over the keys to No.10 to unelected eurocrats.

Some Tories did say at the time that it was handing over control to
the EU.

Looks like they were right. But brussels is all in favour of state control
and micromanaging of pretty much everything so no real surprises the labour
party fell in love with the idea of a federal europe and president. And after
all , nationalism is just racism in disguise so anyone who objects is just
a nasty ignorant racist who can be ignored, right?

B2003

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On Fri, 29 Jan 2010 11:23:54 +0000
David Hansen wrote:
On Fri, 29 Jan 2010 11:20:49 +0000 (UTC) someone who may be
d wrote this:-

I don't recall many people, "leftie" or not, advocating
"centralised EU control."

Well it isn't the tories who've handed over a large proportion of
our legal and governmental controls to Brussels in the last decade.

The Tories said that it was all about introducing a single market.

A single economic trading zone is completely different to a single
governmental zone.

Mrs Thatcher pushed the Single European Act through to further this.

AFAIK and as far as I can find out via google, that didn't have
anything to say about handing over the keys to No.10 to unelected
eurocrats.

Some Tories did say at the time that it was handing over control to
the EU.

Looks like they were right. But brussels is all in favour of state
control
and micromanaging of pretty much everything so no real surprises the
labour party fell in love with the idea of a federal europe and
president. And after all , nationalism is just racism in disguise so
anyone who objects is just
a nasty ignorant racist who can be ignored, right?

Boltar, you might be more credible if you confined your rants to delays
on the Piccadilly line.

On Fri, 29 Jan 2010 12:23:49 -0000
"Recliner" wrote:
Boltar, you might be more credible if you confined your rants to delays
on the Piccadilly line.

People like you might be more credible if you argued the point instead of
just lobbing throwaway putdowns when you read something you don't happen to
agree with. While I generally don't see eye to eye with people like
Hansen and John Band, they're capable of a decent debate.

B2003

On Fri, 29 Jan 2010 12:23:49 -0000, "Recliner"
wrote:

wrote in message

On Fri, 29 Jan 2010 11:23:54 +0000
David Hansen wrote:
On Fri, 29 Jan 2010 11:20:49 +0000 (UTC) someone who may be
d wrote this:-

I don't recall many people, "leftie" or not, advocating
"centralised EU control."

Well it isn't the tories who've handed over a large proportion of
our legal and governmental controls to Brussels in the last decade.

The Tories said that it was all about introducing a single market.

A single economic trading zone is completely different to a single
governmental zone.

Mrs Thatcher pushed the Single European Act through to further this.

AFAIK and as far as I can find out via google, that didn't have
anything to say about handing over the keys to No.10 to unelected
eurocrats.

Some Tories did say at the time that it was handing over control to
the EU.

Looks like they were right. But brussels is all in favour of state
control
and micromanaging of pretty much everything so no real surprises the
labour party fell in love with the idea of a federal europe and
president. And after all , nationalism is just racism in disguise so
anyone who objects is just
a nasty ignorant racist who can be ignored, right?

Boltar, you might be more credible if you confined your rants to delays
on the Piccadilly line.


The words "Boltar" and "credible" should never be used in the same
sentence unless there is also a negative present. ;-)

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On Fri, 29 Jan 2010 12:23:49 -0000
"Recliner" wrote:
Boltar, you might be more credible if you confined your rants to
delays on the Piccadilly line.

People like you might be more credible if you argued the point
instead of just lobbing throwaway putdowns when you read something
you don't happen to agree with. While I generally don't see eye to
eye with people like
Hansen and John Band, they're capable of a decent debate.

But you're not.

On Fri, 29 Jan 2010 12:57:06 -0000
"Recliner" wrote:
People like you might be more credible if you argued the point
instead of just lobbing throwaway putdowns when you read something
you don't happen to agree with. While I generally don't see eye to
eye with people like
Hansen and John Band, they're capable of a decent debate.

But you're not.

Is it national irony day?

B2003