On Jan 31, 10:55*pm, "tim...." wrote:

"Nick P" wrote:

"Nick P" wrote:

There are no gates on the Waterloo and City line at either end. Oyster
validators are in place at all W&C exits/entrances at Waterloo. Makes my
life awkward if I forget to touch in/out when in a hurry....

Ooops! If you want to leave the Underground at Bank then yes, you do have
to use gates. But if your journey involves another line then you can just
walk on through the Greathead shield tunnel.

Which has had gates on it for at least the last two years

Wrong - they're used to be gates in that there tunnel, which resulted
in the W&C platforms at Bank being left outside the gated area, but
that changed recently-ish - 2 years ago perhaps, not sure - when the
entrance to the W&C platforms were gated thus bringing them inside
the, er, gated area - the redundant gates in the Greathead shield
tunnel were then removed.

(Of course they could have chosen to retain them as an 'internal
gateline', akin to the situation at the Stratford Jubilee line
platforms, but they didn't - the Stratford arrangement is thus unique.
As is this new no-mans land arrangement at Southwark/ Waterloo East.)

On Jan 31, 2:32*pm, Paul Corfield wrote:

On Sun, 31 Jan 2010 12:53:56 GMT, (Neil
Williams) wrote:
There even used to be Carnet validators there (might still be), which
were basically a standard ticket barrier unit but without the actual
barrier attached.

I think they have now all gone from the LUL network. *I invented the
carnet validator concept and agreed the spec with Cubic over the space
of a weekend in order to get carnets introduced in about half the time
we'd ever introduced such a big change before. *The only problem with
them was that they were all right handed (for obvious reasons) but that
caused problems when you wanted them on either side of a corridor such
as at (old) Kings Cross Thameslink.

Still some in passageways on the Northern City line I think - I recall
there being one at Moorgate when I passed through recently, and have
some recollection of them elsewhere, at Old Street and/or Essex Road.
Quite possibly all on Network Rail territory, as opposed to the LUL
estate, which might explain their non-removal!

I, er, can't see the 'right-handed problem' w.r.t carnet validators -
or was it all just about the angle of the LED display on the top?

"Peter Masson" wrote in message
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| "Yokel" wrote
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| Some do care - the Nationwide building society does (or did until
| recently)
| have two pens for customer use at each position, so you could fill out
| your
| form comfortably whichever hand you chose to use.
|
| Isn't there at least one bank which is able to provide left-handed cheque
| books, with the stub on the right?
|

I'm not really sure what advantage you would get from this. Left-handed
people still write from left to right, apart from a very small number who
can do "mirror writing". You just turn the paper at an angle so you are
writing down and towards you so you can see what you are doing. If you have
a problem smudging the stub, you can always leave that until after filling
out the cheque. If you have a problem separating the cheque, you can always
turn the book round so you can pull it away from the stub with your left
hand.

If you were taught to write *properly* at school, ie to hold the pen between
the thumb and first two fingers and angle it away from you as is required to
write with a fountain pen, writing is not really a problem as the hand
passes well below the line you write on the paper. The "lefty"s who have
problems writing are those who are "taught" to write with the hand clasped
round the pen in a "death grip" (a style which seems to me to result from an
increase in petty crime in schools - it is harder for your neighbour to
steal your pen!). This results in you dragging your hand over what you have
just written if you are a "lefty".

As it happens, I originally learned to write right-handed by copying
everyone else. Although I now can write with either hand - and left-handed
is neater - I still have to sign cheques and other documents right-handed as
that is my "official" signature and the left-handed one is very different.
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On Mon, 1 Feb 2010 01:32:47 -0000, "Yokel"
wrote:

"Peter Masson" wrote in message
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| "Yokel" wrote
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| Some do care - the Nationwide building society does (or did until
| recently)
| have two pens for customer use at each position, so you could fill out
| your
| form comfortably whichever hand you chose to use.
|
| Isn't there at least one bank which is able to provide left-handed cheque
| books, with the stub on the right?
|

I'm not really sure what advantage you would get from this. Left-handed
people still write from left to right, apart from a very small number who
can do "mirror writing".

The spine and accumulating stubs get increasingly in the way of a left
handed writer when writing on the stubs if they are printed top to
bottom like the cheque; many banks now have the stubs printed 90deg
anti-clockwise from the cheque to get rid of that problem.

You just turn the paper at an angle so you are
writing down and towards you so you can see what you are doing. If you have
a problem smudging the stub, you can always leave that until after filling
out the cheque. If you have a problem separating the cheque, you can always
turn the book round so you can pull it away from the stub with your left
hand.

If you were taught to write *properly* at school, ie to hold the pen between
the thumb and first two fingers and angle it away from you as is required to
write with a fountain pen, writing is not really a problem as the hand
passes well below the line you write on the paper. The "lefty"s who have
problems writing are those who are "taught" to write with the hand clasped
round the pen in a "death grip" (a style which seems to me to result from an
increase in petty crime in schools - it is harder for your neighbour to
steal your pen!). This results in you dragging your hand over what you have
just written if you are a "lefty".

As it happens, I originally learned to write right-handed by copying
everyone else. Although I now can write with either hand - and left-handed
is neater - I still have to sign cheques and other documents right-handed as
that is my "official" signature and the left-handed one is very different.

In article ,
(Charles Ellson) wrote:

The spine and accumulating stubs get increasingly in the way of a left
handed writer when writing on the stubs if they are printed top to
bottom like the cheque; many banks now have the stubs printed 90deg
anti-clockwise from the cheque to get rid of that problem.

Nothing new about. I noticed some banks doing that decades ago.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

Mizter T wrote:

(Of course they could have chosen to retain them as an 'internal
gateline', akin to the situation at the Stratford Jubilee line
platforms, but they didn't - the Stratford arrangement is thus unique.
As is this new no-mans land arrangement at Southwark/ Waterloo East.)

The Stratford internal gateline has been out of use since before Christmas -
any news on it being fully removed?

Paul S

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In article ,
(Charles Ellson) wrote:

The spine and accumulating stubs get increasingly in the way of a
left handed writer when writing on the stubs if they are printed top
to bottom like the cheque; many banks now have the stubs printed
90deg anti-clockwise from the cheque to get rid of that problem.

Nothing new about. I noticed some banks doing that decades ago.

Presumably they all do in Japan?

On Feb 1, 12:29*pm, "Paul Scott"
wrote:

Mizter T wrote:
(Of course they could have chosen to retain them as an 'internal
gateline', akin to the situation at the Stratford Jubilee line
platforms, but they didn't - the Stratford arrangement is thus unique.
As is this new no-mans land arrangement at Southwark/ Waterloo East.)

The Stratford internal gateline has been out of use since before Christmas -
any news on it being fully removed?

Well, that just shows how out of touch I am!

Last time I was at Stratford station was way back in September - it
was a Jubilee line closure weekend, so the 'internal gateline' was out
of use, however I did see (and took a few bad photos of) some insane
arrangement cobbled together there whereby there were pink Oyster
route validators immediately next to a few of the gates, which
mindboggled me completely! Unfortunately I never got round to sharing
that here at the time (life got v busy) - I dare say it was noted and
discussed by others. I'll try and dig said fuzzy photos up.

In article ,
(Recliner) wrote:

wrote in message

In article ,
(Charles Ellson) wrote:

The spine and accumulating stubs get increasingly in the way of a
left handed writer when writing on the stubs if they are printed top
to bottom like the cheque; many banks now have the stubs printed
90deg anti-clockwise from the cheque to get rid of that problem.

Nothing new about. I noticed some banks doing that decades ago.

Presumably they all do in Japan?

My observations were entirely in the UK.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

"Charles Ellson" wrote in message
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| On Mon, 1 Feb 2010 01:32:47 -0000, "Yokel"
| wrote:
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| "Peter Masson" wrote in message
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| |...
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| | Isn't there at least one bank which is able to provide left-handed
cheque
| | books, with the stub on the right?
| |
|
| I'm not really sure what advantage you would get from this. Left-handed
| people still write from left to right, apart from a very small number who
| can do "mirror writing".
|


| The spine and accumulating stubs get increasingly in the way of a left
| handed writer when writing on the stubs if they are printed top to
| bottom like the cheque; many banks now have the stubs printed 90deg
| anti-clockwise from the cheque to get rid of that problem.


| ...
|
| As it happens, I originally learned to write right-handed by copying
| everyone else. Although I now can write with either hand - and
left-handed
| is neater - I still have to sign cheques and other documents right-handed
as
| that is my "official" signature and the left-handed one is very
different.
|

I hadn't thought of that. For the reason at the bottom of my previous post,
I normally write out cheques right-handed.
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