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On 29.01.10 21:56, Peter Lawrence wrote:
On 28 Jan 2010 23:47:10 GMT, "Michael R N
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Mizter wrote

I'm left wondering whether a PAYG user arriving on Southeastern who
then uses the shortcut through Southwark tube station (i.e. to get
straight out the other side) might well end up getting charged the
through NR+LU fare, rather than the NR fare. That's a simple enough
experiment to do... though I'm never quite sure when the Waterloo East
entrance to Southwark tube station is open, as it's closed later in
the evening and also maybe for some of the weekend.l

Since it's an OSI that links it to another thread !

Any idea if Waterloo East now has gates on the main way via the high
level walkway nowadays?

I thought it always had, I certainly remember going though a gateline
to and from Waterloo on rare visits long ago.

It does not have gates. Presumably there is not enough room for an
adequate number. I assume Oyster validators have now appeared there.

Does the Drain now have gates on the Waterloo side? I haven't been through
that way in a while, but I remember that there were simply validators at
the entrances for Bank-bound service.

There are no gates on the Waterloo and City line at either end. Oyster
validators are in place at all W&C exits/entrances at Waterloo. Makes my
life awkward if I forget to touch in/out when in a hurry....

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On 29.01.10 21:56, Peter Lawrence wrote:
On 28 Jan 2010 23:47:10 GMT, "Michael R N
wrote:

Mizter wrote

I'm left wondering whether a PAYG user arriving on Southeastern who
then uses the shortcut through Southwark tube station (i.e. to get
straight out the other side) might well end up getting charged the
through NR+LU fare, rather than the NR fare. That's a simple enough
experiment to do... though I'm never quite sure when the Waterloo East
entrance to Southwark tube station is open, as it's closed later in
the evening and also maybe for some of the weekend.l

Since it's an OSI that links it to another thread !

Any idea if Waterloo East now has gates on the main way via the high
level walkway nowadays?

I thought it always had, I certainly remember going though a gateline
to and from Waterloo on rare visits long ago.

It does not have gates. Presumably there is not enough room for an
adequate number. I assume Oyster validators have now appeared there.

Does the Drain now have gates on the Waterloo side? I haven't been
through that way in a while, but I remember that there were simply
validators at the entrances for Bank-bound service.

There are no gates on the Waterloo and City line at either end. Oyster
validators are in place at all W&C exits/entrances at Waterloo. Makes my
life awkward if I forget to touch in/out when in a hurry....

Ooops! If you want to leave the Underground at Bank then yes, you do have to
use gates. But if your journey involves another line then you can just walk
on through the Greathead shield tunnel.

On Sun, 31 Jan 2010 09:20:52 -0000, "Nick P"
wrote:

It does not have gates. Presumably there is not enough room for an
adequate number. I assume Oyster validators have now appeared there.

Does the Drain now have gates on the Waterloo side? I haven't been
through that way in a while, but I remember that there were simply
validators at the entrances for Bank-bound service.

There are no gates on the Waterloo and City line at either end. Oyster
validators are in place at all W&C exits/entrances at Waterloo. Makes my
life awkward if I forget to touch in/out when in a hurry....

Ooops! If you want to leave the Underground at Bank then yes, you do have to
use gates. But if your journey involves another line then you can just walk
on through the Greathead shield tunnel.

There even used to be Carnet validators there (might still be), which
were basically a standard ticket barrier unit but without the actual
barrier attached.

Neil

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"Paul Corfield" wrote in message
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| On Sun, 31 Jan 2010 12:53:56 GMT, (Neil
| Williams) wrote:
|
|The only problem with them was that they were all right handed (for
obvious reasons) ...
|
|

The proportion of "lefty"s in the population is much higher than the
proportion of "disabled" people who have to be accommodated by law, so how
come we get no consideration? In fact we don't get any consideration
anywhere (except as below), so that must make us the last group you can
legally discriminate against or disregard. This may be related to the fact
that, according to the Church, even God is right-handed (which must raise
the question of whether a spiritual being has hands), and I could quote you
Bible verses and even hymn titles to back this.

Fortunately, most "lefty"s are more adaptable than most "righty"s - again
for obvious reasons - so we get by. But there are some severely left handed
people who can do little with the right hand and they must struggle with
ticket barriers and the like. And at my workplace we did until a couple of
years ago have a water heater over the sink with a tap fitted in such a
position that to use it with your left hand was to risk dislocating your
wrist.

I suppose the problem is that with these things there has to be a convention
or chaos results and so the majority are favoured. It is similar to the
Pony Club, where if you want to join in the games on horseback you have to
do them right-handed because most of the games involve exchanging items
between riders passing each other. I remember seeing one team lose in the
Pony Club games at the National Horse Show because one of their team members
was a "lefty" and was obviously struggling with the "exchanges".

Some do care - the Nationwide building society does (or did until recently)
have two pens for customer use at each position, so you could fill out your
form comfortably whichever hand you chose to use.
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"Yokel" wrote

Some do care - the Nationwide building society does (or did until
recently)
have two pens for customer use at each position, so you could fill out
your
form comfortably whichever hand you chose to use.

Isn't there at least one bank which is able to provide left-handed cheque
books, with the stub on the right?

Peter

"Peter Masson" wrote in message
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|
|
| "Yokel" wrote
|
| Some do care - the Nationwide building society does (or did until
| recently)
| have two pens for customer use at each position, so you could fill out
| your
| form comfortably whichever hand you chose to use.
|
| Isn't there at least one bank which is able to provide left-handed cheque
| books, with the stub on the right?
|

I'm not really sure what advantage you would get from this. Left-handed
people still write from left to right, apart from a very small number who
can do "mirror writing". You just turn the paper at an angle so you are
writing down and towards you so you can see what you are doing. If you have
a problem smudging the stub, you can always leave that until after filling
out the cheque. If you have a problem separating the cheque, you can always
turn the book round so you can pull it away from the stub with your left
hand.

If you were taught to write *properly* at school, ie to hold the pen between
the thumb and first two fingers and angle it away from you as is required to
write with a fountain pen, writing is not really a problem as the hand
passes well below the line you write on the paper. The "lefty"s who have
problems writing are those who are "taught" to write with the hand clasped
round the pen in a "death grip" (a style which seems to me to result from an
increase in petty crime in schools - it is harder for your neighbour to
steal your pen!). This results in you dragging your hand over what you have
just written if you are a "lefty".

As it happens, I originally learned to write right-handed by copying
everyone else. Although I now can write with either hand - and left-handed
is neater - I still have to sign cheques and other documents right-handed as
that is my "official" signature and the left-handed one is very different.
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- Yokel -

"Yokel" posts via a spam-trap account which is not read.

On Mon, 1 Feb 2010 01:32:47 -0000, "Yokel"
wrote:

"Peter Masson" wrote in message
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|
|
| "Yokel" wrote
|
| Some do care - the Nationwide building society does (or did until
| recently)
| have two pens for customer use at each position, so you could fill out
| your
| form comfortably whichever hand you chose to use.
|
| Isn't there at least one bank which is able to provide left-handed cheque
| books, with the stub on the right?
|

I'm not really sure what advantage you would get from this. Left-handed
people still write from left to right, apart from a very small number who
can do "mirror writing".

The spine and accumulating stubs get increasingly in the way of a left
handed writer when writing on the stubs if they are printed top to
bottom like the cheque; many banks now have the stubs printed 90deg
anti-clockwise from the cheque to get rid of that problem.

You just turn the paper at an angle so you are
writing down and towards you so you can see what you are doing. If you have
a problem smudging the stub, you can always leave that until after filling
out the cheque. If you have a problem separating the cheque, you can always
turn the book round so you can pull it away from the stub with your left
hand.

If you were taught to write *properly* at school, ie to hold the pen between
the thumb and first two fingers and angle it away from you as is required to
write with a fountain pen, writing is not really a problem as the hand
passes well below the line you write on the paper. The "lefty"s who have
problems writing are those who are "taught" to write with the hand clasped
round the pen in a "death grip" (a style which seems to me to result from an
increase in petty crime in schools - it is harder for your neighbour to
steal your pen!). This results in you dragging your hand over what you have
just written if you are a "lefty".

As it happens, I originally learned to write right-handed by copying
everyone else. Although I now can write with either hand - and left-handed
is neater - I still have to sign cheques and other documents right-handed as
that is my "official" signature and the left-handed one is very different.

"Yokel" wrote in message
...
"Paul Corfield" wrote in message
...
| On Sun, 31 Jan 2010 12:53:56 GMT, (Neil
| Williams) wrote:
|
|The only problem with them was that they were all right handed (for
obvious reasons) ...
|
|

The proportion of "lefty"s in the population is much higher than the
proportion of "disabled" people who have to be accommodated by law, so how
come we get no consideration? In fact we don't get any consideration
anywhere (except as below), so that must make us the last group you can
legally discriminate against or disregard. This may be related to the
fact
that, according to the Church, even God is right-handed (which must raise
the question of whether a spiritual being has hands), and I could quote
you
Bible verses and even hymn titles to back this.

Fortunately, most "lefty"s are more adaptable than most "righty"s - again
for obvious reasons - so we get by. But there are some severely left
handed
people who can do little with the right hand and they must struggle with
ticket barriers and the like. And at my workplace we did until a couple
of
years ago have a water heater over the sink with a tap fitted in such a
position that to use it with your left hand was to risk dislocating your
wrist.

I suppose the problem is that with these things there has to be a
convention
or chaos results and so the majority are favoured. It is similar to the
Pony Club, where if you want to join in the games on horseback you have to
do them right-handed because most of the games involve exchanging items
between riders passing each other. I remember seeing one team lose in the
Pony Club games at the National Horse Show because one of their team
members
was a "lefty" and was obviously struggling with the "exchanges".

Some do care - the Nationwide building society does (or did until
recently)
have two pens for customer use at each position, so you could fill out
your
form comfortably whichever hand you chose to use.
--
- Yokel -

"Yokel" posts via a spam-trap account which is not read.



I think, Yokel, that there are more colour-blind (colour vision impaired, or
colour-challenged) people around than southpaws (lefties, mollydookers). You
can get a job in railway operations as a left-hander but not if you're
standard red-green "colour-blind". Haven't found a way around it, yet. I
understand the incidence of colour vision impairment is around 25% of males
and a low % of females, maybe 13% of the total population. Likewise, it's
amazing how many maps are hard to read for this 13%, how many documents use
nice red script over a beautiful verdant green tree background - even our
local RAC has managed that one.

DW downunder

DW downunder wrote:

You can get a job in railway operations as a
left-hander but not if you're standard red-green "colour-blind".

That would explain why there are so many red-green colour blind people
driving buses.

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"Basil Jet" wrote in message
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DW downunder wrote:

You can get a job in railway operations as a
left-hander but not if you're standard red-green "colour-blind".

That would explain why there are so many red-green colour blind people
driving buses.

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We are the Strasbourg. Referendum is futile.


You mean they get on a Green bus to do Red bus runs?



DW downunder