On Wed, 3 Feb 2010 02:52:53 -0800 (PST) someone who may be Mizter T
wrote this:-

If it's never been topped up with a credit
card, and the balance is under a certain amount (sorry I forget the
figure), then one can surrender it at a Tube station and get the
deposit refunded (if the card's registered then AIUI this is still
possible, you just need to know the security phrase).

If someone could produce what is involved precisely then that would
be interesting.

Reports I have seen are that it involved leaking all sorts of
personal information, which was then undoubtedly put onto a
computer.



--
David Hansen, Edinburgh
I will *always* explain revoked encryption keys, unless RIP prevents me
http://www.opsi.gov.uk/acts/acts2000...#pt3-pb3-l1g54

On Tue, Feb 02, 2010 at 04:27:31PM -0600, wrote:

OMIGOG! Memories of the 1970 Underground trip when one of the party fell
asleep on the Northern Line between East Finchley and Morden!

When I was young and mad, I went to Brunel university in Uxbridge, while
living in Chelmsford. One day, I got on a Met train at Liverpool Street
to go to Uxbridge, and the last thing I remember is leaving Baker Street,
westbound. The next thing I remember is ... pulling into Baker Street,
westbound.

Needless to say, the early mornings and ridiculous commute meant that I
didn't bother going in much, but that's OK, the course was incredibly
boring anyway and I would have dropped out even if I'd lived nearer.

--
David Cantrell | Cake Smuggler Extraordinaire

Longum iter est per praecepta, breve et efficax per exempla.

On Feb 3, 1:03*pm, David Hansen
wrote:

Your word is better than the one I used. I'll try and call it a
price in future. It certainly isn't a deposit.

As it is refundable, I fail to see why not.

Neil

On Wed, 3 Feb 2010 03:36:32 -0800 (PST) someone who may be MIG
wrote this:-

No, I said it was the price. Then I made a "if it's a fine, it's for
losing the card" comment, the important point being the "losing" not
the "fine". You've insisted on picking up on that word, which I never
used in the way that a previous poster did.

What you were typing was perfectly clear to me and, I imagine, to
anyone who did not want to read anything particular into it.



--
David Hansen, Edinburgh
I will *always* explain revoked encryption keys, unless RIP prevents me
http://www.opsi.gov.uk/acts/acts2000...#pt3-pb3-l1g54

On Wed, 3 Feb 2010 03:30:05 -0800 (PST) someone who may be Neil
Williams wrote this:-

Which rules?

AIUI those of the credit card providers,

Banks. They deserve everything bad that happens to them.

(and probably regarding money laundering regs as well).

That Labour Party claptrap may well apply to large transactions.
Does it really apply to £3.00, plus whatever small amount of money
are likely to be on a card, too? Quite possibly the Labour Party are
that stupid.



--
David Hansen, Edinburgh
I will *always* explain revoked encryption keys, unless RIP prevents me
http://www.opsi.gov.uk/acts/acts2000...#pt3-pb3-l1g54

On Wed, 3 Feb 2010 04:12:15 -0800 (PST) someone who may be Neil
Williams wrote this:-

Your word is better than the one I used. I'll try and call it a
price in future. It certainly isn't a deposit.

As it is refundable, I fail to see why not.

How refundable it is in "the real world" is a matter which has not
yet been resolved. If someone can provide further information the
matter may be resolved. I may then be happy to accept that I was
wrong and it is a deposit. Until then it will remain a price in my
view.





--
David Hansen, Edinburgh
I will *always* explain revoked encryption keys, unless RIP prevents me
http://www.opsi.gov.uk/acts/acts2000...#pt3-pb3-l1g54

In message
David Hansen wrote:

On Wed, 3 Feb 2010 03:08:36 -0800 (PST) someone who may be MIG
wrote this:-

If you lose your umbrella then you'll have to pay for a new one. *Is
the cost of the umbrella a fine?

Of course not. It certainly isn't a deposit, which is what I was saying.
It's simply a price.

Your word is better than the one I used. I'll try and call it a
price in future. It certainly isn't a deposit.


As it is refundable on surrendering the card it is a deposit. Try using
English occasionally.

--
Graeme Wall

This address not read, substitute trains for rail
Transport Miscellany at www.greywall.demon.co.uk/rail
Photo galleries at http://graeme-wall.fotopic.net/

In message
David Hansen wrote:

On Wed, 3 Feb 2010 04:12:15 -0800 (PST) someone who may be Neil
Williams wrote this:-

Your word is better than the one I used. I'll try and call it a
price in future. It certainly isn't a deposit.

As it is refundable, I fail to see why not.

How refundable it is in "the real world" is a matter which has not
yet been resolved. If someone can provide further information the
matter may be resolved. I may then be happy to accept that I was
wrong and it is a deposit. Until then it will remain a price in my
view.


It has been explained to you virtually in words of one syllable. However the
explanation does not suit your infantile prejudice so you continue to ignore
it.

--
Graeme Wall

This address not read, substitute trains for rail
Transport Miscellany at www.greywall.demon.co.uk/rail
Photo galleries at http://graeme-wall.fotopic.net/

In message
David Hansen wrote:

On Wed, 3 Feb 2010 02:52:53 -0800 (PST) someone who may be Mizter T
wrote this:-

If it's never been topped up with a credit
card, and the balance is under a certain amount (sorry I forget the
figure), then one can surrender it at a Tube station and get the
deposit refunded (if the card's registered then AIUI this is still
possible, you just need to know the security phrase).

If someone could produce what is involved precisely then that would
be interesting.

I did.


Reports I have seen are that it involved leaking all sorts of
personal information, which was then undoubtedly put onto a
computer.


More of your mythical 'reports' that you can't be bothered to check just now?

--
Graeme Wall

This address not read, substitute trains for rail
Transport Miscellany at www.greywall.demon.co.uk/rail
Photo galleries at http://graeme-wall.fotopic.net/

On Wed, 3 Feb 2010, Neil Williams wrote:

I hadn't thought of it until this thread comes up, but if masses of
inactive cards are having to be held on the database, it will just grow
continuously...

Of course. What is a database for if not growing continuously? They were
invented by hard disk manufacturers. Well known fact.

tom

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adults as atrophied children. -- Keith Johnstone