In article ,
(David Cantrell) wrote:

It appears as "U12* LONDN" on the ticket itself, and "ZONE U12* LONDN"
on the sleeper reservation.

They have sleepers on the Underground?!

--
Colin Rosenstiel

wrote:
In article ,
(David Cantrell) wrote:

It appears as "U12* LONDN" on the ticket itself, and "ZONE U12*
LONDN" on the sleeper reservation.

They have sleepers on the Underground?!

Jarrah, mostly.

--
We are the Strasbourg. Referendum is futile.

On Feb 2, 5:09*pm, wrote:

In article ,
(David Cantrell) wrote:
It appears as "U12* LONDN" on the ticket itself, and "ZONE U12* LONDN"
on the sleeper reservation.

They have sleepers on the Underground?!

A supplement is payable if using Oyster PAYG - doing a few laps of the
Northern line is likely to result in the maximum journey time being
exceeded...

On Tue, 02 Feb 2010 04:35:23 -0800, ticketyboo wrote:


Nope - 100% smart card. There are vending machines that take the
'single trip' cards back and refund the card deposit.

I wonder what proportion of those cards are surrendered.

Overall, Singapore is a small and disciplined country (really a city
state)...

The locals all have Ezlink cards, the single use refundable cards are
really intended for visitors. I would image a significant portion get
souvenired or just tossed out when the traveller gets home and finds it
still in one of their pockets.

Ezlink did once publish a study on the usage of their cards, which noted
that a larger than expected number of cards had been issued that simply
disappeared from the system. This was a source of concern as in the early
days they were subsidising the cost of the cards. Two of those missing
cards would have been those held by my wife and I. Only those reappear in
the system every 12 months or so as we transit their city. :-)

In article
,
(Mizter T) wrote:

On Feb 2, 5:09*pm, wrote:

In article ,
(David Cantrell) wrote:
It appears as "U12* LONDN" on the ticket itself, and "ZONE U12*
LONDN" on the sleeper reservation.

They have sleepers on the Underground?!

A supplement is payable if using Oyster PAYG - doing a few laps of the
Northern line is likely to result in the maximum journey time being
exceeded...

OMIGOG! Memories of the 1970 Underground trip when one of the party fell
asleep on the Northern Line between East Finchley and Morden!

--
Colin Rosenstiel

On Feb 2, 7:51*pm, Matthew Geier
wrote:

*Ezlink did once publish a study on the usage of their cards, which noted
that a larger than expected number of cards had been issued that simply
disappeared from the system. This was a source of concern as in the early
days they were subsidising the cost of the cards. Two of those missing
cards would have been those held by my wife and I. Only those reappear in
the system every 12 months or so as we transit their city. :-)

Exactly what happens with Oyster: very many rarely used (including
mine) or never again used cards [1]. But, given the very large gap
between Oyster fares and cash fares, the incentive is there to get an
Oyster card when making only one visit to London. There really ought
to be an expiry date on these type of cards in a metropolitan area -
perhaps 3 years. Maybe make them renewable until such time as the
scheme operator needs to replace them, but renewed only by an explicit
action by the card holder.

[1] Actually I have 2, the first one being a very early PAYG that the
web site refused to register even though it was still working in
practice (i.e. I could top it up at the self service machines) but I
do not use it now. A TfL office merely gave me a new one without
cancelling the old one.

On Tue, 2 Feb 2010 23:27:26 -0800 (PST) someone who may be
ticketyboo wrote this:-

Exactly what happens with Oyster: very many rarely used (including
mine) or never again used cards [1]. But, given the very large gap
between Oyster fares and cash fares, the incentive is there to get an
Oyster card when making only one visit to London. There really ought
to be an expiry date on these type of cards in a metropolitan area -
perhaps 3 years.

Why?

As I understand it the £3.00 fine for getting one covers the cost of
the card and provides a buffer against abuse.

Operators tend to have offers for regular passengers,which
discourages irregular travellers. A card which can be used
occasionally and transferred to other people encourages irregular
passengers to use the service, which sounds good to me.



--
David Hansen, Edinburgh
I will *always* explain revoked encryption keys, unless RIP prevents me
http://www.opsi.gov.uk/acts/acts2000...#pt3-pb3-l1g54

In message
David Hansen wrote:

On Tue, 2 Feb 2010 23:27:26 -0800 (PST) someone who may be
ticketyboo wrote this:-

Exactly what happens with Oyster: very many rarely used (including
mine) or never again used cards [1]. But, given the very large gap
between Oyster fares and cash fares, the incentive is there to get an
Oyster card when making only one visit to London. There really ought
to be an expiry date on these type of cards in a metropolitan area -
perhaps 3 years.

Why?

As I understand it the £3.00 fine for getting one covers the cost of
the card and provides a buffer against abuse.

Why this stupid insistence on using emotive words like 'fine' to describe a
simple deposit? It just devalues any point you might have.

By the way, have you returned the 90p you stole from Boris yet?


--
Graeme Wall

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Transport Miscellany at www.greywall.demon.co.uk/rail
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On Feb 3, 8:27*am, ticketyboo wrote:

Exactly what happens with Oyster: very many rarely used (including
mine) or never again used cards [1]. But, given the very large gap
between Oyster fares and cash fares, the incentive is there to get an
Oyster card when making only one visit to London. There really ought
to be an expiry date on these type of cards in a metropolitan area -
perhaps 3 years. Maybe make them renewable until such time as the
scheme operator needs to replace them, but renewed only by an explicit
action by the card holder.

Many probably disappear as souvenirs. I have one from Singapore and
one from Delhi which I kept for that purpose. I doubt I'll remember
to take them if I go again.

Perhaps people could be encouraged to return them if doing so was
easier? I don't see why a machine shouldn't be provided to take one
back and return the deposit and outstanding balance. (Though it's not
totally simple, as I guess a refund of balance paid by credit card
must go back to the credit card).

Neil

On Feb 3, 9:28*am, David Hansen
wrote:

As I understand it the £3.00 fine for getting one covers the cost of
the card and provides a buffer against abuse.

It's not a fine. It's effectively a purchase price for the card, and
not far off what the cards actually cost. And what's more it's
refundable.

I hadn't thought of it until this thread comes up, but if masses of
inactive cards are having to be held on the database, it will just
grow continuously...

Neil