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On 14 Feb, 12:51, MIG wrote:
On 14 Feb, 11:39, (Neil Williams) wrote: On Sun, 14 Feb 2010 11:35:41 -0000, "Mitch" x wrote: I commute every weekday to London and get about one ticket check a month, yes far less than Silverlink. Given you can walk thru a coupled 350 (unlike 321's) its dissapointing. Or realistic? When I was commuting on LM, you'd see the same faces each day, all of whom would hold a season ticket. *I expect fare dodging rates on early morning trains to London to be very low. *Probably higher off-peak. Neil I do quite a lot of LM journeys, mostly either off-peak or counter- peak, and I'd say that on-train checks are at least 90% for the journeys I do. *Given that those are the most likely times for evasion, they've probably got it covered. Funny it should happen now, but there was actually a group of RP staff on an LM train I was on, although my experience is of guards doing checks. I butted into a conversation because I mistakenly thought there was a case of OEPs being enforced, and my curiosity got the better of me. It turned out that a punter who was travelling from Euston to Watford on a zone 1 - 9 travelcard season stored on Oyster was being told that he was technically without a valid ticket because it hadn't registered a touch at Euston. (He wasn't actually PFed or anything.) I was doing something similar on a paper season, which was accepted instantly. The RP said that it had always been a rule that you had to touch in on NR and said something about Oyster being a "different product". He said that if you didn't touch in, there was no way of proving where you started your journey. I said that with my paper travelcard I had no way of proving anything either. He sort of agreed and shrugged. I said, but what if you had a season on Oyster and were coming into the zones from elsewhere? He said that the train has to stop there and you have to touch in. I directed him to sections 9 and 19 of the NRCoC (19 about combination of tickets, where one of them is a season and 9 about electronic tickets having exactly the same validity as paper tickets). In this case, I am so sure that he was wrong, and possibly confused by the whole OEP issue, that I am not going to bang on about Oyster having rules just for the sake of being able to get you for breaking the rules. Oyster cannot change the NRCoC. So this must be a case of LM either making up its own rules or having staff training issues. No one was actually PFed in this case, but if that's the rule that LM staff are applying, then I guess they could be. |
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