Mizter T wrote:

The current LO network - NLL, WLL and DC line - is all part of the
National Rail network - for example NR ticketing applies.

When the ELL reopens, then the section from Dalston down to New Cross
and NXG will not be part of the National Rail network (it's also not
owned by Network Rail), and the NR double-arrow symbol won't appear on
station totem signs along this stretch.

Ah, so do I take it from that that the NR symbol *has* been retained at
LO stations on the lines you mention?

-roy

On Feb 20, 1:02*pm, Roy Badami wrote:

Mizter T wrote:
The current LO network - NLL, WLL and DC line - is all part of the
National Rail network - for example NR ticketing applies.

When the ELL reopens, then the section from Dalston down to New Cross
and NXG will not be part of the National Rail network (it's also not
owned by Network Rail), and the NR double-arrow symbol won't appear on
station totem signs along this stretch.

Ah, so do I take it from that that the NR symbol *has* been retained at
LO stations on the lines you mention?

No - I said it "won't appear". At least that's what the TfL design
guidelines state. None of the stations are open yet, so I couldn't say
for sure, but there was no-sign of it at Surrey Quays or Rotherhithe
stations when I passed by recently, whilst orange LO roundels were
visible.

Of course the NR symbol will appear at New Cross and NX Gate, given
the other NR services there. (And New Cross itself is to remain a
Southeastern managed station, though NXG has already transferred to LO
management.)

Mizter T wrote:

No - I said it "won't appear". At least that's what the TfL design
guidelines state. None of the stations are open yet, so I couldn't say
for sure, but there was no-sign of it at Surrey Quays or Rotherhithe
stations when I passed by recently, whilst orange LO roundels were
visible.

Sorry, I wasn't clear. You seemed to be contrasting the situation
between Dalston and New Cross with the rest of the LO network, which you
say *is* part of National Rail.

I understand you are saying this section of line will not have any NR
branding, but I was curious as to whether the stations on the NLL, WLL
and DC line have retained the NR logo, or whether it has been removed as
part of the LO rebranding.

-roy

On Feb 20, 1:43*pm, Roy Badami wrote:

Mizter T wrote:
No - I said it "won't appear". At least that's what the TfL design
guidelines state. None of the stations are open yet, so I couldn't say
for sure, but there was no-sign of it at Surrey Quays or Rotherhithe
stations when I passed by recently, whilst orange LO roundels were
visible.

Sorry, I wasn't clear. *You seemed to be contrasting the situation
between Dalston and New Cross with the rest of the LO network, which you
say *is* part of National Rail.

I understand you are saying this section of line will not have any NR
branding, but I was curious as to whether the stations on the NLL, WLL
and DC line have retained the NR logo, or whether it has been removed as
part of the LO rebranding.

Yes, the other stations on the NLL, WLL and DC line retain, and will
continue to retain, the NR logo on the totem signs (i.e. the flag
things, whatever you want to call them), regardless of how much of an
LO makeover they're having / have had.

Roy Badami wrote:
Mizter T wrote:

The current LO network - NLL, WLL and DC line - is all part of the
National Rail network - for example NR ticketing applies.

When the ELL reopens, then the section from Dalston down to New Cross
and NXG will not be part of the National Rail network (it's also not
owned by Network Rail), and the NR double-arrow symbol won't appear
on station totem signs along this stretch.

Ah, so do I take it from that that the NR symbol *has* been retained
at LO stations on the lines you mention?

Where Network Rail is the freeholder of the station, the National Rail
symbol still has primacy, even if only LO trains call there. LU or LO symbol
position then depends on who manages the station, eg it is LU first on many
of the DC line stations.

In my opinion the ELL core stations should still have a National Rail symbol
as well, because as far as members of the public are concerened, you will
catch mainline trains there onto the existing network, (eventually in both
directions). I think that the ownership detail should be subordinated to
practical usefulness...

Paul S

Where Network Rail is the freeholder of the station, the National Rail
symbol still has primacy, even if only LO trains call there. LU or LO symbol
position then depends on who manages the station, eg it is LU first on many
of the DC line stations.

Interesting, thanks. So that would presumably be the case on all of the
current LO network (i.e. excluding the ELL)?

-roy

"Paul Scott" wrote in message
...
Roy Badami wrote:
Mizter T wrote:

The current LO network - NLL, WLL and DC line - is all part of the
National Rail network - for example NR ticketing applies.

When the ELL reopens, then the section from Dalston down to New
Cross
and NXG will not be part of the National Rail network (it's also not
owned by Network Rail), and the NR double-arrow symbol won't appear
on station totem signs along this stretch.

Ah, so do I take it from that that the NR symbol *has* been retained
at LO stations on the lines you mention?

Where Network Rail is the freeholder of the station, the National Rail
symbol still has primacy, even if only LO trains call there. LU or LO
symbol position then depends on who manages the station, eg it is LU
first on many of the DC line stations.

No it doesn't. The Overground symbol is shown before the NR symbol.

http://www.tfl.gov.uk/assets/downloa...rd-issue02.pdf

Peter Smyth

Peter Smyth wrote:
"Paul Scott" wrote in message

Where Network Rail is the freeholder of the station, the National
Rail symbol still has primacy, even if only LO trains call there. LU
or LO symbol position then depends on who manages the station, eg it
is LU first on many of the DC line stations.

No it doesn't. The Overground symbol is shown before the NR symbol.

http://www.tfl.gov.uk/assets/downloa...rd-issue02.pdf

There's an issue 3 of that now, same link with '03' at the end. I was going
by section 2.3.1 there, note 3, but agree it could be interpreted
differently.

Depends on what is meant by 'interchanges with the rest of the national rail
network'. Do we assume that means trains calling?

Paul S