Peter Masson wrote:

BAA don't want ticket gates for their platforms at Heathrow, though this
might not be a problem if TfL (and their customers) were prepared to
accept increased charges for unresolved journeys, in case they ended at
Heathrow Connect. More to the point, can TfL come up with a method of
using Oyster PAYG as far as Hayes & Harlington then a paper ticket on to
Heathrow. How does a passenger touch out while staying on the train at
Hayes & Harlington?

Why do they have to have gates? What's wrong with a few validators? It's
what they on DLR and much of National Rail anyway.

Philip.

Philip wrote:
Peter Masson wrote:

BAA don't want ticket gates for their platforms at Heathrow, though
this might not be a problem if TfL (and their customers) were prepared
to accept increased charges for unresolved journeys, in case they
ended at Heathrow Connect. More to the point, can TfL come up with a
method of using Oyster PAYG as far as Hayes & Harlington then a paper
ticket on to Heathrow. How does a passenger touch out while staying on
the train at Hayes & Harlington?

Why do they have to have gates? What's wrong with a few validators? It's
what they on DLR and much of National Rail anyway.

Also, the couple of times I've used Connect, my ticket has always been
checked between Hayes and Heathrow. Could the ticket examiners carry
some sort of portable validator?

Philip.

On 9 Mar, 06:47, Philip wrote:
Philip wrote:
Peter Masson wrote:

BAA don't want ticket gates for their platforms at Heathrow, though
this might not be a problem if TfL (and their customers) were prepared
to accept increased charges for unresolved journeys, in case they
ended at Heathrow Connect. More to the point, can TfL come up with a
method of using Oyster PAYG as far as Hayes & Harlington then a paper
ticket on to Heathrow. How does a passenger touch out while staying on
the train at Hayes & Harlington?

Why do they have to have gates? What's wrong with a few validators? It's
what they on DLR and much of National Rail anyway.

Also, the couple of times I've used Connect, my ticket has always been
checked between Hayes and Heathrow. Could the ticket examiners carry
some sort of portable validator?

Philip.

It didn't help getting to Heathrow last Saturday that the Circle Line
was suspended, and the Hammersmith and City line was not stopping at
Paddington. What price a bit of joined up thinking from LUL? Is that a
pig I see flying past the window?

On Mar 9, 7:22*am, Paul wrote:

On 9 Mar, 06:47, Philip wrote:

Philip wrote:

Peter Masson wrote:
BAA don't want ticket gates for their platforms at Heathrow, though
this might not be a problem if TfL (and their customers) were prepared
to accept increased charges for unresolved journeys, in case they
ended at Heathrow Connect. More to the point, can TfL come up with a
method of using Oyster PAYG as far as Hayes & Harlington then a paper
ticket on to Heathrow. How does a passenger touch out while staying on
the train at Hayes & Harlington?

Why do they have to have gates? What's wrong with a few validators? It's
what they on DLR and much of National Rail anyway.

Also, the couple of times I've used Connect, my ticket has always been
checked between Hayes and Heathrow. Could the ticket examiners carry
some sort of portable validator?

It didn't help getting to Heathrow last Saturday that the Circle Line
was suspended, and the Hammersmith and City line was not stopping at
Paddington. What price a bit of joined up thinking from LUL? Is that a
pig I see flying past the window?

Which goes back to the original topic of the thread, which is somewhat
obscured by the OP's general rant. Basically if standard ticketing
(Travelcards and Oyster cards) were to be valid on HEx or Heathrow
Connect to and from Heathrow, then BAA (who run the latter services)
would want their pound of flesh in compensation - presumably the wodge
of cash they demanded is too rich for TfL's blood.

On Mar 9, 6:47*am, Philip wrote:

Philip wrote:

Peter Masson wrote:
BAA don't want ticket gates for their platforms at Heathrow, though
this might not be a problem if TfL (and their customers) were prepared
to accept increased charges for unresolved journeys, in case they
ended at Heathrow Connect. More to the point, can TfL come up with a
method of using Oyster PAYG as far as Hayes & Harlington then a paper
ticket on to Heathrow. How does a passenger touch out while staying on
the train at Hayes & Harlington?

Why do they have to have gates? What's wrong with a few validators? It's
what they on DLR and much of National Rail anyway.

Given that HEx and Connect will be used by lots of people unfamiliar
with the need to validate, having open platforms at either end
(Heathrow stations and Paddington) might well prove problematic in
terms of passengers failing to touch-in and out.


Also, the couple of times I've used Connect, my ticket has always been
checked between Hayes and Heathrow. Could the ticket examiners carry
some sort of portable validator?

That's a possibility, yes - though it would be a bit infeasible to
require the ticket examiner to get round the whole train between
Heathrow Central (T123) and Hayes and Harlington station.

When Crossrail eventually arrives at Heathrow then I'm sure Oyster
PAYG (or whatever it has become by that point) will be valid on teh
Crossrail services at least. Whether HEx will still exist as a
separate service is yet to be seen. Still, plenty of time for TPTB to
sort all that out.

On Mon, 08 Mar 2010 18:18:51 +0000
Ivor The Engine wrote:
On Mon, 8 Mar 2010 11:54:08 +0000 (UTC), d
wrote:

Why? If I've forked out a grand on a holiday whats 50 quid for a taxi to make
sure I actually make it to the airport?

How you choose to travel is unimportant. You pays your money, etc.

But your initial rant was that HEx fares are extortionate, which in
context they are not.

For a train fare they are given the distance. Why suffer the hassle of rail
transport for not far off the price of a taxi?

Your confidence in taxis as a reliable form of transport is almost as
amusing.

I've never yet had a problem with a minicab turning up late or getting lost.
The same with black cabs.

B2003

In message
d wrote:

On Mon, 08 Mar 2010 18:18:51 +0000
Ivor The Engine wrote:
On Mon, 8 Mar 2010 11:54:08 +0000 (UTC), d
wrote:

Why? If I've forked out a grand on a holiday whats 50 quid for a taxi to make
sure I actually make it to the airport?

How you choose to travel is unimportant. You pays your money, etc.

But your initial rant was that HEx fares are extortionate, which in
context they are not.

For a train fare they are given the distance. Why suffer the hassle of rail
transport for not far off the price of a taxi?

Why suffer the hassle of road travel when the train is cheaper?

--
Graeme Wall

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Transport Miscellany at www.greywall.demon.co.uk/rail
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On Tue, 9 Mar 2010 09:31:38 +0000 (UTC), d
wrote:

I've never yet had a problem with a minicab turning up late or getting lost.
The same with black cabs.

Lucky you. I've had a minicab driver that thought Manchester Airport
was off the M62 (it's the M56) and was heading for Warrington before I
could point out he was going the wrong way. It added 22 miles to the
journey.

On Tue, 09 Mar 2010 09:54:04 +0000
Graeme wrote:
In message
d wrote:

On Mon, 08 Mar 2010 18:18:51 +0000
Ivor The Engine wrote:
On Mon, 8 Mar 2010 11:54:08 +0000 (UTC), d
wrote:

Why? If I've forked out a grand on a holiday whats 50 quid for a taxi to
make
sure I actually make it to the airport?

How you choose to travel is unimportant. You pays your money, etc.

But your initial rant was that HEx fares are extortionate, which in
context they are not.

For a train fare they are given the distance. Why suffer the hassle of rail
transport for not far off the price of a taxi?

Why suffer the hassle of road travel when the train is cheaper?

Convenience. Plus if the taxi does get stuck in a solid jam you can always
get out and find a train. If the train gets stuck however, you're stuck
unless it happens at a station.

Like I said in a another post , the piccadilly line has almost caused me to
miss flights twice at heathrow. Thats never going to happen again. Other
countries manage to run their metro systems efficiently and with pride and
they take the job seriously. Here its the usual half hearted can't-be-arsed
British indifference. If something goes wrong, well who cares eh? The
passengers can just sod off and get a bus or something. Put out a few
standard issue excuses over the tannoy and leave it at that. Maybe it'll be
fixed in an hour , maybe it won't. Manyana man...

B2003

On Tue, 9 Mar 2010 10:35:59 +0000 (UTC), d
wrote:

Convenience. Plus if the taxi does get stuck in a solid jam you can always
get out and find a train.

On the M4?

Like I said in a another post , the piccadilly line has almost caused me to
miss flights twice at heathrow.

I thought we were discussing Heathrow Express?