Peter Masson wrote:

BAA don't want ticket gates for their platforms at Heathrow, though this
might not be a problem if TfL (and their customers) were prepared to
accept increased charges for unresolved journeys, in case they ended at
Heathrow Connect. More to the point, can TfL come up with a method of
using Oyster PAYG as far as Hayes & Harlington then a paper ticket on to
Heathrow. How does a passenger touch out while staying on the train at
Hayes & Harlington?

Why do they have to have gates? What's wrong with a few validators? It's
what they on DLR and much of National Rail anyway.

Philip.

Philip wrote:
Peter Masson wrote:

BAA don't want ticket gates for their platforms at Heathrow, though
this might not be a problem if TfL (and their customers) were prepared
to accept increased charges for unresolved journeys, in case they
ended at Heathrow Connect. More to the point, can TfL come up with a
method of using Oyster PAYG as far as Hayes & Harlington then a paper
ticket on to Heathrow. How does a passenger touch out while staying on
the train at Hayes & Harlington?

Why do they have to have gates? What's wrong with a few validators? It's
what they on DLR and much of National Rail anyway.

Also, the couple of times I've used Connect, my ticket has always been
checked between Hayes and Heathrow. Could the ticket examiners carry
some sort of portable validator?

Philip.

On 9 Mar, 06:47, Philip wrote:
Philip wrote:
Peter Masson wrote:

BAA don't want ticket gates for their platforms at Heathrow, though
this might not be a problem if TfL (and their customers) were prepared
to accept increased charges for unresolved journeys, in case they
ended at Heathrow Connect. More to the point, can TfL come up with a
method of using Oyster PAYG as far as Hayes & Harlington then a paper
ticket on to Heathrow. How does a passenger touch out while staying on
the train at Hayes & Harlington?

Why do they have to have gates? What's wrong with a few validators? It's
what they on DLR and much of National Rail anyway.

Also, the couple of times I've used Connect, my ticket has always been
checked between Hayes and Heathrow. Could the ticket examiners carry
some sort of portable validator?

Philip.

It didn't help getting to Heathrow last Saturday that the Circle Line
was suspended, and the Hammersmith and City line was not stopping at
Paddington. What price a bit of joined up thinking from LUL? Is that a
pig I see flying past the window?

On Mar 9, 7:22*am, Paul wrote:

On 9 Mar, 06:47, Philip wrote:

Philip wrote:

Peter Masson wrote:
BAA don't want ticket gates for their platforms at Heathrow, though
this might not be a problem if TfL (and their customers) were prepared
to accept increased charges for unresolved journeys, in case they
ended at Heathrow Connect. More to the point, can TfL come up with a
method of using Oyster PAYG as far as Hayes & Harlington then a paper
ticket on to Heathrow. How does a passenger touch out while staying on
the train at Hayes & Harlington?

Why do they have to have gates? What's wrong with a few validators? It's
what they on DLR and much of National Rail anyway.

Also, the couple of times I've used Connect, my ticket has always been
checked between Hayes and Heathrow. Could the ticket examiners carry
some sort of portable validator?

It didn't help getting to Heathrow last Saturday that the Circle Line
was suspended, and the Hammersmith and City line was not stopping at
Paddington. What price a bit of joined up thinking from LUL? Is that a
pig I see flying past the window?

Which goes back to the original topic of the thread, which is somewhat
obscured by the OP's general rant. Basically if standard ticketing
(Travelcards and Oyster cards) were to be valid on HEx or Heathrow
Connect to and from Heathrow, then BAA (who run the latter services)
would want their pound of flesh in compensation - presumably the wodge
of cash they demanded is too rich for TfL's blood.

On Mar 9, 6:47*am, Philip wrote:

Philip wrote:

Peter Masson wrote:
BAA don't want ticket gates for their platforms at Heathrow, though
this might not be a problem if TfL (and their customers) were prepared
to accept increased charges for unresolved journeys, in case they
ended at Heathrow Connect. More to the point, can TfL come up with a
method of using Oyster PAYG as far as Hayes & Harlington then a paper
ticket on to Heathrow. How does a passenger touch out while staying on
the train at Hayes & Harlington?

Why do they have to have gates? What's wrong with a few validators? It's
what they on DLR and much of National Rail anyway.

Given that HEx and Connect will be used by lots of people unfamiliar
with the need to validate, having open platforms at either end
(Heathrow stations and Paddington) might well prove problematic in
terms of passengers failing to touch-in and out.


Also, the couple of times I've used Connect, my ticket has always been
checked between Hayes and Heathrow. Could the ticket examiners carry
some sort of portable validator?

That's a possibility, yes - though it would be a bit infeasible to
require the ticket examiner to get round the whole train between
Heathrow Central (T123) and Hayes and Harlington station.

When Crossrail eventually arrives at Heathrow then I'm sure Oyster
PAYG (or whatever it has become by that point) will be valid on teh
Crossrail services at least. Whether HEx will still exist as a
separate service is yet to be seen. Still, plenty of time for TPTB to
sort all that out.

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(Mizter T) wrote:

When Crossrail eventually arrives at Heathrow then I'm sure Oyster
PAYG (or whatever it has become by that point) will be valid on teh
Crossrail services at least. Whether HEx will still exist as a
separate service is yet to be seen. Still, plenty of time for TPTB to
sort all that out.

You're more optimistic than me about that.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

On 9 Mar, 08:50, Mizter T wrote:
On Mar 9, 6:47*am, Philip wrote:

Philip wrote:

Peter Masson wrote:
BAA don't want ticket gates for their platforms at Heathrow, though
this might not be a problem if TfL (and their customers) were prepared
to accept increased charges for unresolved journeys, in case they
ended at Heathrow Connect. More to the point, can TfL come up with a
method of using Oyster PAYG as far as Hayes & Harlington then a paper
ticket on to Heathrow. How does a passenger touch out while staying on
the train at Hayes & Harlington?

Why do they have to have gates? What's wrong with a few validators? It's
what they on DLR and much of National Rail anyway.

Given that HEx and Connect will be used by lots of people unfamiliar
with the need to validate, having open platforms at either end
(Heathrow stations and Paddington) might well prove problematic in
terms of passengers failing to touch-in and out.



Also, the couple of times I've used Connect, my ticket has always been
checked between Hayes and Heathrow. Could the ticket examiners carry
some sort of portable validator?

That's a possibility, yes - though it would be a bit infeasible to
require the ticket examiner to get round the whole train between
Heathrow Central (T123) and Hayes and Harlington station.

When Crossrail eventually arrives at Heathrow then I'm sure Oyster
PAYG (or whatever it has become by that point) will be valid on teh
Crossrail services at least. Whether HEx will still exist as a
separate service is yet to be seen. Still, plenty of time for TPTB to
sort all that out.

Similar policies apply in some other countries and airport lines are
not treated as part of the national network. Vienna for example.