Terry Harper wrote:
"Mait001" wrote in message
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I agree that "St. James' " or "St. James's" is a matter of debate.
It is considered better practice to omit the additional "s",
although I would not agree that it is grammatically wrong to include
it.

Why do I say "better practice"? Because it is The Queen's English
and Her Majesty's Court is known as the "Court of St. James' " and
not the Court of "St. James's". For example, Ambassadors are
appointed to "the Court of St. James' ", not "the Court of St.
James's" or even "the Court of St. James".

There is no apostrophe in "The Court of St James". St James in this
case is not the genitive case.

True, but that's not actually what they call it. It's "The Court of St
James's" in the Court Circular, and at www.royal.gov.uk. I assume it's
short for St James's Palace.
--
Richard J.
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"Richard J." wrote in message ...
Terry Harper wrote:
"Mait001" wrote in message
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I agree that "St. James' " or "St. James's" is a matter of debate.
It is considered better practice to omit the additional "s",
although I would not agree that it is grammatically wrong to include
it.

Why do I say "better practice"? Because it is The Queen's English
and Her Majesty's Court is known as the "Court of St. James' " and
not the Court of "St. James's". For example, Ambassadors are
appointed to "the Court of St. James' ", not "the Court of St.
James's" or even "the Court of St. James".

There is no apostrophe in "The Court of St James". St James in this
case is not the genitive case.

True, but that's not actually what they call it. It's "The Court of St
James's" in the Court Circular, and at www.royal.gov.uk. I assume it's
short for St James's Palace.

London Underground should be commended for using both spellings at
this station since, as this thread has proved, there is not a
generally accepted 'correct' usage - either spelling seems to be
acceptable. One might argue for a consistent spelling if there was
the possibility of confusing one place with another - but this does
not apply here.

"umpston" wrote in message
m...

London Underground should be commended for
using both spellings at this station since, as this
thread has proved, there is not a generally accepted
'correct' usage - either spelling seems to be acceptable.

No, they should not be commended, because it is a mistake. The station does
not have two different names, and would not even if the eponymous park did.

Incidentally, does one of the Ruislip Central lIne stations still have
roundels which use completely the wrong font?

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That's why my vehicle's the Piccadilly Line -
It's the size of a county and it comes every two and a half minutes

John Rowland wrote:
"umpston" wrote in message
m...

London Underground should be commended for
using both spellings at this station since, as this
thread has proved, there is not a generally accepted
'correct' usage - either spelling seems to be acceptable.

No, they should not be commended, because it is a mistake.
The station does not have two different names, and would
not even if the eponymous park did.


If there is no one "correct" spelling or punctuation specified for a given
name how can it be "wrong"?

(Blame Dr Johnson, it's all his fault!!)

Cast_Iron wrote:
John Rowland wrote:
"umpston" wrote in message
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London Underground should be commended for
using both spellings at this station since, as this
thread has proved, there is not a generally accepted
'correct' usage - either spelling seems to be acceptable.

The fact that a few misguided individuals think so doesn't make their
version "generally acceptable".

No, they should not be commended, because it is a mistake.
The station does not have two different names, and would
not even if the eponymous park did.

If there is no one "correct" spelling or punctuation
specified for a given name how can it be "wrong"?

But there *is* one correct spelling, "St. James's Park".
--
Richard J.
(to e-mail me, swap uk and yon in address)

Richard J. wrote:
Cast_Iron wrote:
John Rowland wrote:
"umpston" wrote in message
m...

London Underground should be commended for
using both spellings at this station since, as this
thread has proved, there is not a generally accepted
'correct' usage - either spelling seems to be acceptable.

The fact that a few misguided individuals think so doesn't
make their version "generally acceptable".

No, they should not be commended, because it is a mistake.
The station does not have two different names, and would
not even if the eponymous park did.

If there is no one "correct" spelling or punctuation
specified for a given name how can it be "wrong"?

But there *is* one correct spelling, "St. James's Park".

Quite obviously a number of people disagree with you.

Cast_Iron wrote:
Richard J. wrote:
Cast_Iron wrote:
John Rowland wrote:
"umpston" wrote in message
m...

London Underground should be commended for
using both spellings at this station since, as this
thread has proved, there is not a generally accepted
'correct' usage - either spelling seems to be acceptable.

The fact that a few misguided individuals think so doesn't
make their version "generally acceptable".

No, they should not be commended, because it is a mistake.
The station does not have two different names, and would
not even if the eponymous park did.

If there is no one "correct" spelling or punctuation
specified for a given name how can it be "wrong"?

But there *is* one correct spelling, "St. James's Park".

Quite obviously a number of people disagree with you.

Yeah, a guy who doesn't know when to put an apostrophe in "it's"; another
who goes on about the Queen's English but doesn't know how the Queen spells
the Court of St. James's; an expert on buses who also makes the same
mistake; and two others (including you) who are fooled into thinking this
is a matter for debate.

I refer you to the spelling adopted by The Royal Parks, Ordnance Survey,
other map producers such as Bartholomew, Transport for London, City of
Westminster, Fowler's Modern English Usage, and in respect of St. James's
Palace (after which the park was named) the royal web-site
www.royal.gov.uk. Can you provide *any* evidence, apart from the rogue
station sign, that any other spelling is generally accepted?
--
Richard J.
(to e-mail me, swap uk and yon in address)

"John Rowland" wrote in message ...
"umpston" wrote in message
m...

London Underground should be commended for
using both spellings at this station since, as this
thread has proved, there is not a generally accepted
'correct' usage - either spelling seems to be acceptable.

No, they should not be commended, because it is a mistake. The station does
not have two different names, and would not even if the eponymous park did.

Incidentally, does one of the Ruislip Central lIne stations still have
roundels which use completely the wrong font?


Do you mean Rayners lane with old roundels?

"Phil" wrote in message
m...
"John Rowland" wrote in message
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Incidentally, does one of the Ruislip Central lIne stations
still have roundels which use completely the wrong font?

Do you mean Rayners lane with old roundels?

No.

--
John Rowland - Spamtrapped
Transport Plans for the London Area, updated 2001
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Acro...69/tpftla.html
A man's vehicle is a symbol of his manhood.
That's why my vehicle's the Piccadilly Line -
It's the size of a county and it comes every two and a half minutes

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"umpston" wrote in message
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London Underground should be commended for
using both spellings at this station since, as this
thread has proved, there is not a generally accepted
'correct' usage - either spelling seems to be acceptable.

No, they should not be commended, because it is a mistake. The station does
not have two different names, and would not even if the eponymous park did.

It's an interesting English eccentricity and is as it should be....
--
Kat "bears" said the taxi driver "is sixpence extra,
sticky bears is ninepence"