On Thu, 29 Apr 2010 20:02:17 +0200, Johannes Picht
wrote:

AFAIK, the only networks on the continent requiring a specific front end
color are the Netherlands (white or yellow) and Italy (red). In Germany,
you are free to run completely black locos such as

In the UK, black is permitted (and usual) for steam locomotives. I
assume that's because of grandfather rights, but perhaps also because
you'd hear them a mile off anyway!

Neil
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On 29 Apr, 21:35, Neil Williams
wrote:
On Thu, 29 Apr 2010 20:02:17 +0200, Johannes Picht

wrote:
AFAIK, the only networks on the continent requiring a specific front end
color are the Netherlands (white or yellow) and Italy (red). In Germany,
you are free to run completely black locos such as

In the UK, black is permitted (and usual) for steam locomotives. *I
assume that's because of grandfather rights, but perhaps also because
you'd hear them a mile off anyway!

Neil

I was going to suggest that steam locos usually had/have red buffer
beams ...
but then I remembered that the LNER A4 streamliners don't.

On Thu, 29 Apr 2010 22:35:38 +0200, Neil Williams
wrote:

On Thu, 29 Apr 2010 20:02:17 +0200, Johannes Picht
wrote:

AFAIK, the only networks on the continent requiring a specific front end
color are the Netherlands (white or yellow) and Italy (red). In Germany,
you are free to run completely black locos such as

In the UK, black is permitted (and usual) for steam locomotives. I
assume that's because of grandfather rights, but perhaps also because
you'd hear them a mile off anyway!

Don't they also carry headlights now ?

On Thu, 29 Apr 2010 23:53:58 +0100, Charles Ellson
wrote:

Don't they also carry headlights now ?

I think so - but so do modern trains, and they need yellow ends as
well...

Neil
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Neil Williams wrote:

On Thu, 29 Apr 2010 20:02:17 +0200, Johannes Picht
wrote:

AFAIK, the only networks on the continent requiring a specific front end
color are the Netherlands (white or yellow) and Italy (red). In Germany,
you are free to run completely black locos such as

In the UK, black is permitted (and usual) for steam locomotives. I
assume that's because of grandfather rights, but perhaps also because
you'd hear them a mile off anyway!

Red, shurely. But the stuff coming out of the chimney is a visual clue
too. Indeed, as a first order approximation, I've always assumed that
the yellow end is a replacement for the plume of smoke/steam.


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On Fri, 30 Apr 2010 16:23:04 +0100, Chris Tolley
(ukonline really) wrote:

Neil Williams wrote:

On Thu, 29 Apr 2010 20:02:17 +0200, Johannes Picht
wrote:

AFAIK, the only networks on the continent requiring a specific front end
color are the Netherlands (white or yellow) and Italy (red).

In the UK, black is permitted (and usual) for steam locomotives. I
assume that's because of grandfather rights, but perhaps also because
you'd hear them a mile off anyway!

Red, shurely. But the stuff coming out of the chimney is a visual clue
too. Indeed, as a first order approximation, I've always assumed that
the yellow end is a replacement for the plume of smoke/steam.

But I am fairly sure that in some situations a Steam loco will be
emitting little smoke or steam. Going down a gradient with the fire
burning cleanly the exhaust can be fairly transparent And that will be
just the time that little noise is produced either.

G.Harman

wrote:

On Fri, 30 Apr 2010 16:23:04 +0100, Chris Tolley
(ukonline really) wrote:

Neil Williams wrote:

On Thu, 29 Apr 2010 20:02:17 +0200, Johannes Picht
wrote:

AFAIK, the only networks on the continent requiring a specific front end
color are the Netherlands (white or yellow) and Italy (red).

In the UK, black is permitted (and usual) for steam locomotives. I
assume that's because of grandfather rights, but perhaps also because
you'd hear them a mile off anyway!

Red, shurely. But the stuff coming out of the chimney is a visual clue
too. Indeed, as a first order approximation, I've always assumed that
the yellow end is a replacement for the plume of smoke/steam.

But I am fairly sure that in some situations a Steam loco will be
emitting little smoke or steam. Going down a gradient with the fire
burning cleanly the exhaust can be fairly transparent And that will be
just the time that little noise is produced either.

This is true, but back in the day, trains were all noisier in general.
On those days when I am out watching the Pendolinos go by, I am
constantly impressed by how quiet they are.

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I have a copy of the 1985(?) "Motive Power Recognition: London
Transport and PTE railways", and there do seem to be a number of
yellow painted service vehicles (at least they look yellow despite
being black and white photos!). Some do seem to be darker (maroon?)
however, maybe they were the older ones?

On Wed, 19 May 2010 08:50:54 -0700 (PDT), "Dr. Sunil"
wrote:

I have a copy of the 1985(?) "Motive Power Recognition: London
Transport and PTE railways", and there do seem to be a number of
yellow painted service vehicles (at least they look yellow despite
being black and white photos!). Some do seem to be darker (maroon?)
however, maybe they were the older ones?

Not necessarily, any complete repaints would have been yellow anyway
with the chance of the oldest vehicles being most in need of one. Some
of the vehicles in older colour schemes were likely to be the most
recent in service before the colour change. The only sure method is to
identify the individual vehicles and verify their build date while
remembering that LT re-used railway vehicle numbers and in some cases
(EMU carriages) exchanged them.

In article
,
(Dr. Sunil) wrote:

I have a copy of the 1985(?) "Motive Power Recognition: London
Transport and PTE railways", and there do seem to be a number of
yellow painted service vehicles (at least they look yellow despite
being black and white photos!). Some do seem to be darker (maroon?)
however, maybe they were the older ones?

Crimson Lake was the standard colour for LT service stock before yellow.

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Colin Rosenstiel