In article , ] (Steve
Fitzgerald) wrote:

In message , Richard J.
writes

I'm not convinced that there ever will be 2014 stock. The latest
I've heard bandied around at work is 20 stock.

Assuming it does happen (either '14 or '20) the feeling is that it's
most likely to be an updated version of 96 stock.

Don't you mean an updated version of 95 stock (which I thought was an
updated version of 96 stock despite the name)?

You would have thought so but Jubilee stock has been specifically
mentioned to me as the last few were built only a couple of years ago.

Did the new build of 96 stock still have the obsolete GTO traction control
or did they update it to the now more or less universal IGBT type?

--
Colin Rosenstiel

On Fri, 23 Apr 2010 12:14:34 -0700 (PDT)
Railist wrote:
But my god, three months on and I am cursing the Piccadilly line
almost daily.

It appears to me that a "Good Service" will invariably involve an
interminably slow journey between Cockfosters and Arnos Grove, an
extended pause at either Oakwood and/or Arnos Grove, or trains at
Arnos Grove that arrived after my one, departing first. Sometimes the
driver will tell you that the train that has just arrived will leave
first, but sometimes they don't. Minor Delays have seen me 15 minutes
or more late, and I dread to think what a severe delay is.

I've been saying for years how poor the service is but all the LU
apologists on here just accused me of whinging. Which rather shows the
mindset of the people who work on the system - "there ain't nuffink
wrong and if you complain its cos you's a whinger init"

next one to leave and he shrugged his shoulders. He walked up to the
drivers cab, got in, waited and indeed his train was the next to
leave. So I can either take from that that the drivers don't even know
when they are about to depart and only go by the signals, or he was
just unhelpful.

Probably the latter. They know their booked times but they're not really
interested in helping the people who pay their wages.

B2003

On Sat, 24 Apr 2010 21:10:45 +0100
"Richard J." wrote:
control, whereas 95 stock has more modern IGBT control.

And accelerates like a slug on ice. Someone ****ed up somewhere.

B2003

On Sun, 25 Apr 2010 00:35:40 +0100
Steve Fitzgerald ] wrote:
coming in to service from Cockfosters (east end), Cockfosters (west end)
and reversers at Arnos Grove, all to get the 28 trains per hour through
the centre section. The trains you see depart are Arnos Grove reversers
and are actually booked to leave before you arrive but as we have a
timetable that has a fair bit of recovery in it, CFS trains often arrive
before the reverser departs - not helped by the signalling which doesn't
allow potentially conflicting moves.

The only reason trains terminate at Arnos Grove is because theres a staff
building there. Reversing a train 3 stations from the end of a rather long
line makes bugger all difference to the lines reliability or throughput
and usually because the reversing takes so damn long actually makes it
worse.

It's worth bearing in mind that with a train departing every 2-4 minutes
it will often look like the system is giving no information. In these
circumstances, it's best to just wait for the next departure to be
announced.

Either the timetable is computer controlled or it isn't. If the computer
knows which train is arriving or leaving next then theres no reason it can't
be displayed on the information board.

B2003

On Sun, 25 Apr 2010 01:09:42 +0100
"Richard J." wrote:
A mere 24 trains per hour currently. You ought to be able to manage 28
IMHO. In fact you had a 27 tph timetable a few years ago, and I never
had a credible explanation of why it was abandoned. I fail to see why

It was total chaos. They had every other train reversing at arnos grove
and the **** poor signalling system combined with indifferent staff who
couldn't be arsed to arrive at their train on time led to trains backing up
all the way to finsbury park on the northbound.

Frankly they should just get some foreigners in to run it since clearly
the people who work on the railways in this country haven't got a clue.

B2003

wrote in message ...
On Fri, 23 Apr 2010 12:14:34 -0700 (PDT)

next one to leave and he shrugged his shoulders. He walked up to the
drivers cab, got in, waited and indeed his train was the next to
leave. So I can either take from that that the drivers don't even know
when they are about to depart and only go by the signals, or he was
just unhelpful.

Probably the latter. They know their booked times but they're not really
interested in helping the people who pay their wages.

B2003

Even if the driver of one train does know his own departure time, rather
than waiting on a signal, how is he supposed to be certain of the
departure time of the other train ? And to know for certain whether
it's due to leave first or not ?

The only thing anyone can be sure of is, if based on insufficient
information, the driver tried to be "helpful" and guessed wrong, the likes
of you and your kind would be screaming blue murders and demanding
compensation for the stress you had to endure as a result.


michael adams

....

On Mon, 26 Apr 2010 19:55:33 +0100
"michael adams" wrote:
Even if the driver of one train does know his own departure time, rather
than waiting on a signal, how is he supposed to be certain of the
departure time of the other train ? And to know for certain whether
it's due to leave first or not ?

So you're telling me they have no idea of which train is leaving when? What
do they do , just go and sit in a cab and wait until the signal goes green
then? Come off it.

B2003

wrote in message

On Mon, 26 Apr 2010 19:55:33 +0100
"michael adams" wrote:
Even if the driver of one train does know his own departure time,
rather than waiting on a signal, how is he supposed to be certain of
the departure time of the other train ? And to know for certain
whether it's due to leave first or not ?

So you're telling me they have no idea of which train is leaving
when? What do they do , just go and sit in a cab and wait until the
signal goes green then? Come off it.

The driver is much less interested in this subject than you are -- he's
not in a race with the other train, and doesn't really care which goes
first. So why would he do anything other than show up on time, and wait
till it's his turn to head down the tunnel?

On Tue, 27 Apr 2010 11:46:15 +0100
"Recliner" wrote:
So you're telling me they have no idea of which train is leaving
when? What do they do , just go and sit in a cab and wait until the
signal goes green then? Come off it.

The driver is much less interested in this subject than you are -- he's
not in a race with the other train, and doesn't really care which goes
first. So why would he do anything other than show up on time, and wait
till it's his turn to head down the tunnel?

Well airline pilots are apparently aware of their booked departure times.
So are bus drivers. And mainline train drivers. Are you seriously
suggesting tube drivers simply wait for the green light and head off?
I'd have thought these "professionals" as they keep referring to themselves
as would be well aware of the times their trains should leave.

B2003

In message , Recliner
writes
wrote in message


So you're telling me they have no idea of which train is leaving
when? What do they do , just go and sit in a cab and wait until the
signal goes green then? Come off it.

The driver is much less interested in this subject than you are -- he's
not in a race with the other train, and doesn't really care which goes
first. So why would he do anything other than show up on time, and wait
till it's his turn to head down the tunnel?

Oh! he's still here is he?

You've hit the nail on the head. Whilst I know what time I *should*
depart (and it is my responsibility to be there at the appointed time),
I have no idea if a train approaching the platform is booked to go
before me (in which case it will leave before me even if I'm late) or
after me without getting the train number and looking it up in the
timetable. By the time I've done that, either I have the signal to go
or it has and it's too late.
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