On Wed, 28 Apr 2010 14:00:53 +0100
Basil Jet wrote:
On 28/04/2010 13:49, d wrote:
On Wed, 28 Apr 2010 13:47:30 +0100
wrote:
Boltar proves that even an idiot who regularly posts random and
bizarre ideas can get it right occasionally.

It's monkeys and typewriters all over again ...

My monkey resigned , its all my own work!

Was he fed up with being spanked?

Well he was a bit of a tosser when all's said and done.

B2003

On Apr 27, 8:09*pm, Charles Ellson wrote:
On Tue, 27 Apr 2010 09:51:34 -0700 (PDT), E27002
wrote:





On Apr 27, 9:01*am, Mizter T wrote:
On Apr 27, 4:55*pm, E27002 wrote:

On Apr 27, 7:23*am, Ivor The Engine
wrote:

There's an 'introduction' on the BBC web site:http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/8620188.stm

Consists of their Transport Correspondent explaining what a 378 looks
like. *He makes it sound like they are exclusive to the ELL and have
not actually been in use on the Overground for months...

Story includes some political squabbling alleging that Boris has been
trying to claim the credit for opening the line. *Nothing new there
then.

Not a bad introduction for the uninitiated. *The BBC has done worse,
much worse.

Like trying to report the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, instead of
just reporting what the Israeli Foreign or Defence Ministries say? I
agree, disgraceful...

Or they could try reporting the facts.

All of them ?

Why not? Did the BBC show this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NX6vyT8RzMo
?

On Wed, 28 Apr 2010, MIG wrote:

On 28 Apr, 14:19, Ernesto wrote:
On 28/04/2010 09:53, wrote:

On Tue, 27 Apr 2010 09:44:02 -0700 (PDT)
*wrote:
Its about time they changed the disabled symbol. Its begnining to
look a bit silly plastered over so many stations. Why can't they
just have a little icon similar to the nation rail sign? Just
because someones in a wheelchair doesn't mean they're blind.

It's only the same size as the blob for an interchange station, and
indicates something about what kind of station it is. *The NR symbol

So you end up with a blob on stations that are not interchange
stations. Not really a great idea. Having a small chair symbol at the
side would be just as effective and stop the map looking its suffering
from smallpox.

If you put a small chair by a station, people may be fooled into
thinking they can exit to street from all lines passing thru that
station

So put the wheelchairs right by whichever platform group icons are
step-free. So at KX, there would be icons by the Vic/Picc and Neapolitan
discs, but not by the Northern one. This is exactly the same level of
granularity as at present, where those discs have a bright blue
wheelchairman on top of them, just less obtrusive. The only place where
this would be awkward is at Hammersmith, which is currently drawn as three
discs in a row, all step-free; the central disc is completely boxed in by
lines and discs, so there's nowhere to put a wheelchair icon. In that
case, i'd happily see it go in the middle of a normal interchange disc as
a special case.

For stations which don't have discs, the icon would just go by the tick on
the line, but for these stations, the question is moot anyway, as there is
only one set of platforms (apart from Gloucester Road, but then that's not
step-free anyway).

This would be a deviation from the current model of putting the icons by
the name, but less of a deviation than using the huge blue wheelchairman.

I don't know whether the symbol is the right size, but it seems to me
that there is a logic to clearly showing stations where you can connect
to something else and map out a route between them.

The wheelchair blobs are an indication where there is an "interchange"
between the world and the system for the benefit of those for whom the
rest of the network doesn't allow it.

Interesting idea. It makes that clear to people who need step-free routes,
at the expense of making it less clear which stations are line-line
interchanges to everyone.


So maybe the blobs are big, but it's much clearer for route-planning to
mark out the station types clearly than to have other symbols floating
off them. Symbols floating off really are clutter.

They are far less cluttersome than the blue discs.

tom

--
Basically, at any given time, most people in the world are wasting time.

On Wed, 28 Apr 2010 18:39:26 +0100, Ian Jelf
wrote:
In message , Bruce
writes
On Wed, 28 Apr 2010 11:23:30 +0100, Ian Jelf
wrote:
In message , d
writes
Having a small chair symbol at the side would be just as effective and
stop the map looking its suffering from smallpox.

I may turn a few heads in writing this phrase but here goes.......

"I agree with Boltar."


Boltar proves that even an idiot who regularly posts random and
bizarre ideas can get it right occasionally.

It's monkeys and typewriters all over again ...

But don't make a habit of it, Ian. ;-)

I'm turning off my radio microphone as we speak.......


A wise move. ;-)

But for those who always wanted to be a "fly on the wall" and see
exactly what the *real* Gordon Brown is like, now we know! :-)

On 28 Apr, 17:55, Tom Anderson wrote:
On Wed, 28 Apr 2010, MIG wrote:
On 28 Apr, 14:19, Ernesto wrote:
On 28/04/2010 09:53, wrote:

On Tue, 27 Apr 2010 09:44:02 -0700 (PDT)
*wrote:
Its about time they changed the disabled symbol. Its begnining to
look a bit silly plastered over so many stations. Why can't they
just have a little icon similar to the nation rail sign? Just
because someones in a wheelchair doesn't mean they're blind.

It's only the same size as the blob for an interchange station, and
indicates something about what kind of station it is. *The NR symbol

So you end up with a blob on stations that are not interchange
stations. Not really a great idea. Having a small chair symbol at the
side would be just as effective and stop the map looking its suffering
from smallpox.

If you put a small chair by a station, people may be fooled into
thinking they can exit to street from all lines passing thru that
station

So put the wheelchairs right by whichever platform group icons are
step-free. So at KX, there would be icons by the Vic/Picc and Neapolitan
discs, but not by the Northern one. This is exactly the same level of
granularity as at present, where those discs have a bright blue
wheelchairman on top of them, just less obtrusive. The only place where
this would be awkward is at Hammersmith, which is currently drawn as three
discs in a row, all step-free; the central disc is completely boxed in by
lines and discs, so there's nowhere to put a wheelchair icon. In that
case, i'd happily see it go in the middle of a normal interchange disc as
a special case.

For stations which don't have discs, the icon would just go by the tick on
the line, but for these stations, the question is moot anyway, as there is
only one set of platforms (apart from Gloucester Road, but then that's not
step-free anyway).

This would be a deviation from the current model of putting the icons by
the name, but less of a deviation than using the huge blue wheelchairman.

I don't know whether the symbol is the right size, but it seems to me
that there is a logic to clearly showing stations where you can connect
to something else and map out a route between them.

The wheelchair blobs are an indication where there is an "interchange"
between the world and the system for the benefit of those for whom the
rest of the network doesn't allow it.

Interesting idea. It makes that clear to people who need step-free routes,
at the expense of making it less clear which stations are line-line
interchanges to everyone.

So maybe the blobs are big, but it's much clearer for route-planning to
mark out the station types clearly than to have other symbols floating
off them. *Symbols floating off really are clutter.

They are far less cluttersome than the blue discs.


No one seems to be complaining that every station but one on the
Victoria Line has a disc of exactly the same size though.

On Apr 28, 8:39*pm, Bruce wrote:

On Wed, 28 Apr 2010 18:39:26 +0100, Ian Jelf
[snip]
I'm turning off my radio microphone as we speak.......

A wise move. *;-)

But for those who always wanted to be a "fly on the wall" and see
exactly what the *real* Gordon Brown is like, now we know! *:-)

Cameron can apparently be more than a little tetchy from time to time
- smooth operator that he is, this wouldn't be the kind of thing that
would happen to him of course! And now this has happened every
politician will be on guard for it happening to them forever more...
(Though courtesy of open mikes- albeit not radio mikes - we've had the
benefit of Major and the cabinet *******s, Bush and "yo Blair" -
though it was actually "yeah Blair", presidential candidate Bush
sounding off to Cheney about a reporter being a "major league
asshole", current Vice-President Biden describing the signing of the
healthcare bill to Obama as "a big f***ing deal", and several sundry
other unwittingly reproduced outbursts - there's a few tales in the TV
industry of miked-up presenters heading off to the toilet, and not
necessarily for lavatorial needs, a, brief romantic liaison or two in
the cubicles is said - or more to the point heard - to have happened.)

In message
Mizter T wrote:


On Apr 28, 8:39*pm, Bruce wrote:

On Wed, 28 Apr 2010 18:39:26 +0100, Ian Jelf
[snip]
I'm turning off my radio microphone as we speak.......

A wise move. *;-)

But for those who always wanted to be a "fly on the wall" and see
exactly what the *real* Gordon Brown is like, now we know! *:-)

Cameron can apparently be more than a little tetchy from time to time
- smooth operator that he is, this wouldn't be the kind of thing that
would happen to him of course! And now this has happened every
politician will be on guard for it happening to them forever more...
(Though courtesy of open mikes- albeit not radio mikes - we've had the
benefit of Major and the cabinet *******s, Bush and "yo Blair" -
though it was actually "yeah Blair", presidential candidate Bush
sounding off to Cheney about a reporter being a "major league
asshole", current Vice-President Biden describing the signing of the
healthcare bill to Obama as "a big f***ing deal", and several sundry
other unwittingly reproduced outbursts - there's a few tales in the TV
industry of miked-up presenters heading off to the toilet, and not
necessarily for lavatorial needs, a, brief romantic liaison or two in
the cubicles is said - or more to the point heard - to have happened.)

Dressing rooms usually, rather than toilets.

--
Graeme Wall

This address not read, substitute trains for rail
Transport Miscellany at www.greywall.demon.co.uk/rail
Photo galleries at http://graeme-wall.fotopic.net/

On Wed, 28 Apr 2010 12:55:52 -0700 (PDT), Mizter T
wrote:
On Apr 28, 8:39=A0pm, Bruce wrote:

But for those who always wanted to be a "fly on the wall" and see
exactly what the *real* Gordon Brown is like, now we know! =A0:-)

Cameron can apparently be more than a little tetchy from time to time
- smooth operator that he is, this wouldn't be the kind of thing that
would happen to him of course! And now this has happened every
politician will be on guard for it happening to them forever more...


True, all true, including the bit I snipped (but did read).

I think the funniest part of the whole episode is that it was actually
the Labour Party campaign team who insisted that Gordon Brown was
equipped with a radio mike rather than rely on sound people holding
boom mikes.

Perhaps someone should acquaint Lord Mandleperson with the Law of
Unintended Consequences. ;-)

On Apr 28, 9:04*pm, Graeme wrote:

Mizter T wrote:

On Apr 28, 8:39*pm, Bruce wrote:

On Wed, 28 Apr 2010 18:39:26 +0100, Ian Jelf
[snip]
I'm turning off my radio microphone as we speak.......

A wise move. *;-)

But for those who always wanted to be a "fly on the wall" and see
exactly what the *real* Gordon Brown is like, now we know! *:-)

Cameron can apparently be more than a little tetchy from time to time
- smooth operator that he is, this wouldn't be the kind of thing that
would happen to him of course! And now this has happened every
politician will be on guard for it happening to them forever more...
(Though courtesy of open mikes- albeit not radio mikes - we've had the
benefit of Major and the cabinet *******s, Bush and "yo Blair" -
though it was actually "yeah Blair", presidential candidate Bush
sounding off to Cheney about a reporter being a "major league
asshole", current Vice-President Biden describing the signing of the
healthcare bill to Obama as "a big f***ing deal", and several sundry
other unwittingly reproduced outbursts - there's a few tales in the TV
industry of miked-up presenters heading off to the toilet, and not
necessarily for lavatorial needs, a, brief romantic liaison or two in
the cubicles is said - or more to the point heard - to have happened.)

Dressing rooms usually, rather than toilets.

I bow down to your superior experience... as the starlet said to the
rock star...

In message
Mizter T wrote:


On Apr 28, 9:04*pm, Graeme wrote:

[snip]

Dressing rooms usually, rather than toilets.

I bow down to your superior experience... as the starlet said to the
rock star...

whistles tunelessly

--
Graeme Wall

This address not read, substitute trains for rail
Transport Miscellany at www.greywall.demon.co.uk/rail
Photo galleries at http://graeme-wall.fotopic.net/