On Wed, 28 Apr 2010 08:36:19 -0700 (PDT), E27002
wrote:

On Apr 27, 8:09*pm, Charles Ellson wrote:
On Tue, 27 Apr 2010 09:51:34 -0700 (PDT), E27002
wrote:


On Apr 27, 9:01*am, Mizter T wrote:
On Apr 27, 4:55*pm, E27002 wrote:

On Apr 27, 7:23*am, Ivor The Engine
wrote:

There's an 'introduction' on the BBC web site:http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/8620188.stm

Consists of their Transport Correspondent explaining what a 378 looks
like. *He makes it sound like they are exclusive to the ELL and have
not actually been in use on the Overground for months...

Story includes some political squabbling alleging that Boris has been
trying to claim the credit for opening the line. *Nothing new there
then.

Not a bad introduction for the uninitiated. *The BBC has done worse,
much worse.

Like trying to report the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, instead of
just reporting what the Israeli Foreign or Defence Ministries say? I
agree, disgraceful...

Or they could try reporting the facts.

All of them ?

Why not? Did the BBC show this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NX6vyT8RzMo
?
It is mentioned in :-
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/8527563.stm

And YouTube has a video of a BBC interview lifted from :-
http://www.bicom.org.uk/videos/bbc-n...itary-analysis

I said facts, not opinions.

BTW he is an ex-Colonel so he was speaking in a personal capacity.

Now can you explain how something can be "anti-Semitic" when the party
effectively favoured is Semitic ?

On Wed, Apr 28, 2010 at 02:19:12PM +0100, Ernesto wrote:
On 28/04/2010 09:53, d wrote:
So you end up with a blob on stations that are not interchange stations.
Not really a great idea. Having a small chair symbol at the side would be
just as effective and stop the map looking its suffering from smallpox.
If you put a small chair by a station, people may be fooled into
thinking they can exit to street from all lines passing thru that
station; take Waterloo for example, if the above were followed and a
chair-bound passenger wanted to ride frmo West Finchley to Waterloo,
they'd have a hard time getting up the stairs from the Northern
platform

So the solution is to use blobs that would otherwise exist anyway, such
as at Waterloo or Westminster, but put a dinky little symbol next to the
station name at, eg, Pinner.

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Damm, beat me to it...

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On Wed, 28 Apr 2010 11:23:30 +0100, Ian Jelf
wrote:

In message , d
writes
Having a small chair symbol at the side would be just as effective
and stop the map looking its suffering from smallpox.

I may turn a few heads in writing this phrase but here goes.......

"I agree with Boltar."

It is worrying when that happens isn't it? It's like finding you
agree with the leader of UKIP or with Bob Crow.

Actually, it's a pity that Lord Pearson of Rannoch hasn't featured more
in this election campaign. He's almost as funny as yesterday's extended
edition of The Thick of It, guest starring the PM.

Paul Scott wrote:
Includes core ELL routes.

http://www.tfl.gov.uk/assets/downloa...d-tube-map.pdf

Preview service starts tomorrow afternoon (perhaps)...

Paul S




It doesn't show any direct service between Harrow & Wealdstone and Kensington
Olympia (there is one).

It also doesn't show any Thameslink.

Whilst I appreciate they are not Underground or Overground services operated
by TFL, they are surely still likely to be of use to a traveller within
London and should be included?

On Apr 28, 9:27*pm, Charles Ellson wrote:
On Wed, 28 Apr 2010 08:36:19 -0700 (PDT), E27002
wrote:





On Apr 27, 8:09*pm, Charles Ellson wrote:
On Tue, 27 Apr 2010 09:51:34 -0700 (PDT), E27002
wrote:

On Apr 27, 9:01*am, Mizter T wrote:
On Apr 27, 4:55*pm, E27002 wrote:

On Apr 27, 7:23*am, Ivor The Engine
wrote:

There's an 'introduction' on the BBC web site:http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/8620188.stm

Consists of their Transport Correspondent explaining what a 378 looks
like. *He makes it sound like they are exclusive to the ELL and have
not actually been in use on the Overground for months...

Story includes some political squabbling alleging that Boris has been
trying to claim the credit for opening the line. *Nothing new there
then.

Not a bad introduction for the uninitiated. *The BBC has done worse,
much worse.

Like trying to report the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, instead of
just reporting what the Israeli Foreign or Defence Ministries say? I
agree, disgraceful...

Or they could try reporting the facts.

All of them ?

Why not? *Did the BBC show thishttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NX6vyT8RzMo
?

It is mentioned in :-http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/8527563.stm

Good to see some coverage, although it is hardly sympathetic.

And YouTube has a video of a BBC interview lifted from :-http://www.bicom..org.uk/videos/bbc-news--military-analysis

I said facts, not opinions.

You impune Richard Kemp's integrity? He looks like a stand up guy to
me.

BTW he is an ex-Colonel so he was speaking in a personal capacity.

So? Is his experience invalid?

Now can you explain how something can be "anti-Semitic" when the party
effectively favoured is Semitic ?

We both know that in this context "anti-semitic" means anti Jewish.
And, the activities of Hamas, et al, certainly also harm Arabs.

On Apr 29, 4:06*pm, chunkyoldcortina wrote:

Paul Scott wrote:
Includes core ELL routes.

http://www.tfl.gov.uk/assets/downloa...d-tube-map.pdf

Preview service starts tomorrow afternoon (perhaps)...

Paul S

It doesn't show any direct service between Harrow & Wealdstone and Kensington
Olympia (there is one).

The Southern WLL service - only hourly.


It also doesn't show any Thameslink.

Whilst I appreciate they are not Underground or Overground services operated
by TFL, they are surely still likely to be of use to a traveller within
London and should be included?

The central Thameslink route, between London Bridge/ E&C and Kentish
Town (but not beyond), was shown on Tube maps in years past, as was
the Great Northern Electrics route between Moorgate and Finsbury Park
(aka the Northern City line). For whatever reason they were dropped -
several possible explanations spring to mind e.g. frequency, speed,
hours of operation, usefulness, and levels of crowdedness - I imagine
the decision to omit them out was an amalgam of several
considerations.

This issue is complicated - one could argue for the inclusion of
several suburban rail services, e.g. Shenfield locals (on the Great
Eastern), London Bridge to East/West Croydon locals, trains between
Clapham Jn and both Victoria and Waterloo. All sorts or arguments have
and will continue to be made!

Mizter T wrote

The central Thameslink route, between London Bridge/ E&C and Kentish
Town (but not beyond), was shown on Tube maps in years past, as was
the Great Northern Electrics route between Moorgate and Finsbury Park
(aka the Northern City line). For whatever reason they were dropped -
several possible explanations spring to mind e.g. frequency, speed,
hours of operation, usefulness, and levels of crowdedness - I imagine
the decision to omit them out was an amalgam of several
considerations.

Since the Northern City Line used to be a Tube line, retaining it for
an
extended period was a a no brainer.

This issue is complicated - one could argue for the inclusion of
several suburban rail services, e.g. Shenfield locals (on the Great
Eastern), London Bridge to East/West Croydon locals, trains between
Clapham Jn and both Victoria and Waterloo. All sorts or arguments have
and will continue to be made!

Now Oyster PAYG is universal I would suggest adding back a basic
skeleton
(not all stations) of frequent services - the apparent isolation of
Clapham
J is particularly weird.

So Richmond - CJ - Vauxhall - Waterloo
Croydon Tramlink
Victoria, CJ and LB to Croydon stations (given the ELLX addition to
LO).


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Mike D

On Wed, 28 Apr 2010, Mizter T wrote:

On Apr 28, 8:39*pm, Bruce wrote:

On Wed, 28 Apr 2010 18:39:26 +0100, Ian Jelf
[snip]
I'm turning off my radio microphone as we speak.......

A wise move. *;-)

But for those who always wanted to be a "fly on the wall" and see
exactly what the *real* Gordon Brown is like, now we know! *:-)

Cameron can apparently be more than a little tetchy from time to time
- smooth operator that he is, this wouldn't be the kind of thing that
would happen to him of course! And now this has happened every
politician will be on guard for it happening to them forever more...
(Though courtesy of open mikes- albeit not radio mikes - we've had the
benefit of Major and the cabinet *******s, Bush and "yo Blair" -
though it was actually "yeah Blair", presidential candidate Bush
sounding off to Cheney about a reporter being a "major league
asshole", current Vice-President Biden describing the signing of the
healthcare bill to Obama as "a big f***ing deal", and several sundry
other unwittingly reproduced outbursts

The most notorious case being former cowboy actor Ronald Reagan during a
microphone check before a speech in 1984, which he didn't realise would be
audible to everyone:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zv13ZnkpWos

tom

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follow its meaningless rules and come to some meaningless conclusion. --
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Regents Park certainly had a ticket window when I last used it in the
1970s. The internal feel of the station had a toned down Leslie Green
feel to it. But, I am pretty sure it was not one of his.

If I read "Rails Through the Clay" correctly, it was. Almost all of the
original stations on the three Yerkes tubes were.
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