"MIG" wrote in message
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On 18 May, 17:27, "Paul Scott" wrote:

There have been a few previous posts highlighting that table 178 is
borked
(in terms of sorting left to right on departure timings) but I don't
think
your findings have been mentioned before...

Is it an error, or an attempt at something fairly impossible?

Peckham Rye is before both Queens Road and Denmark Hill depending on
whether the train is heading for London Bridge or Blackfriars, and
that seems to be what they've tried to show.

Don't think so. Comparing it with both directions in the current table 178
and the fact that the UP section of the new table 178 is correctly ordered,
suggests it is just another basic cockup - accidentally ordered
alphabetically maybe?

Paul S

On 18 May, 18:27, "Paul Scott" wrote:
"MIG" wrote in message

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On 18 May, 17:27, "Paul Scott" wrote:
There have been a few previous posts highlighting that table 178 is
borked
(in terms of sorting left to right on departure timings) but I don't
think
your findings have been mentioned before...

Is it an error, or an attempt at something fairly impossible?

Peckham Rye is before both Queens Road and Denmark Hill depending on
whether the train is heading for London Bridge or Blackfriars, and
that seems to be what they've tried to show.

Don't think so. Comparing it with both directions in the current table 178
and the fact that the UP section of the new table 178 is correctly ordered,
suggests it is just another basic cockup - * accidentally ordered
alphabetically maybe?

Paul S

The SET tables are now causing me some fun.

In 199 the peak Orpington to Charing Cross trains seem to have been
shifted forwards (or is that back?) by twenty minutes relative to all
the other trains. (They are in the slot where the one twenty minutes
earlier should go.)

A bit more worrying is that the morning peak times seem to be the same
as they were in the previous timetable, but on the ground this week,
some of them seem to have been rejigged, eg a Bexleyheath line train
to Charing Cross is two minutes earlier than it was, and in a
different order through the junction at Lewisham I think, but in the
timetable book it's unchanged in both 199 and 200.

Batman55 wrote:
"Paul Scott" wrote in message
...
Just wondering how the service is being used in the morning peak at
the moment, as I haven't been in London before mid day at all since
the preview began, and it's gone a bit quiet on the subject here...

Are there signs of many passengers having gone back to changing onto
the ELL at NX or NXG, as pre conversion, ie when it was an LU line?

Paul S


Just looking at the full service from later this month
http://www.networkrail.co.uk/browse%...s/Table178.pdf
and it appears that, in the down direction (?) Peckham Rye and Queens
Road Peckham have swapped places. The timings, where shown, make
sense but...
Am I missing something?

For anyone coming late to this discussion, the NR timetables have been
reissued this morning, and the faults we were discussing appear to have been
overcome. In particular the columns appear to be sorted correctly left to
right so that trains through NXG appear in their correct time order.

Paul S

On May 19, 12:16*pm, "Paul Scott"
wrote:

Batman55 wrote:

Just looking at the full service from later this month
http://www.networkrail.co.uk/browse%...s/Table178.pdf
and it appears that, in the down direction (?) Peckham Rye and Queens
Road Peckham have swapped places. The timings, where shown, make
sense but...
Am I missing something?

For anyone coming late to this discussion, the NR timetables have been
reissued this morning, and the faults we were discussing appear to have been
overcome. In particular the columns appear to be sorted correctly left to
right so that trains through NXG appear in their correct time order.

No so - e.g. the 08:45 LO service from Dalston Jn appears a few
columns to the left of the 08:51 SN service from London Bridge, but
the Southern service gets to NX Gate ten minutes before the LO train
(and is obviously first down the line towards Sydenham).

Mizter T wrote:
On May 19, 12:16 pm, "Paul Scott"
wrote:

Batman55 wrote:

Just looking at the full service from later this month
http://www.networkrail.co.uk/browse%...s/Table178.pdf
and it appears that, in the down direction (?) Peckham Rye and
Queens Road Peckham have swapped places. The timings, where shown,
make sense but...
Am I missing something?

For anyone coming late to this discussion, the NR timetables have
been reissued this morning, and the faults we were discussing appear
to have been overcome. In particular the columns appear to be sorted
correctly left to right so that trains through NXG appear in their
correct time order.

No so - e.g. the 08:45 LO service from Dalston Jn appears a few
columns to the left of the 08:51 SN service from London Bridge, but
the Southern service gets to NX Gate ten minutes before the LO train
(and is obviously first down the line towards Sydenham).

Ah... so the bunch of amateurs have only fixed the first few pages then.
Completely useless...

Paul S

In article ,
(Paul Scott) wrote:

For anyone coming late to this discussion, the NR timetables have
been reissued this morning, and the faults we were discussing
appear to have been overcome. In particular the columns appear to
be sorted correctly left to right so that trains through NXG appear
in their correct time order.

They seem to have fixed Table 25 at least. Thanks for the heads-up.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

In article ,
() wrote:

In article ,
(Paul Scott) wrote:

For anyone coming late to this discussion, the NR timetables have
been reissued this morning, and the faults we were discussing
appear to have been overcome. In particular the columns appear to
be sorted correctly left to right so that trains through NXG
appear in their correct time order.

They seem to have fixed Table 25 at least. Thanks for the heads-up.

Table 49 still has some stupid typos in, though. You just can't get the
staff nowadays!

--
Colin Rosenstiel

Paul Scott wrote:
For anyone coming late to this discussion, the NR timetables have been
reissued this morning, and the faults we were discussing appear to have been
overcome. In particular the columns appear to be sorted correctly left to
right so that trains through NXG appear in their correct time order.

Is there a prize for spotting the first error? Can I go with the second
line on the first page which says

Sunday 23 May 2009 to Saturday 11 December 2010

More attention to detail required, I think.

--
Phil
Liverpool, UK

"Phil" wrote in message
...
Paul Scott wrote:
For anyone coming late to this discussion, the NR timetables have been
reissued this morning, and the faults we were discussing appear to have
been overcome. In particular the columns appear to be sorted correctly
left to right so that trains through NXG appear in their correct time
order.

Is there a prize for spotting the first error? Can I go with the second
line on the first page which says

Sunday 23 May 2009 to Saturday 11 December 2010

More attention to detail required, I think.

--
Phil
Liverpool, UK

Somewhere around the mid 1970s it was decreed on Southern that every station
should have "commuter cards" showing Monday to Friday train services for
that station or small group of stations. This was subsequently extended to
cover weekends as well.

Compilation of these very fiddly documents was naturally not expected to
need more staff, we just fitted it in along with everything else. And they
were a nightma had to be typed or hand written first to go to the
printer, draft returned for checking and correcting, returned to printer,
sent back with old errors corrected (usually) and new errors introduced and
so on. Finally published just as more timetable changes would be announced
etc.

This was all done by hand, hot metal and sweat. The current lot with
computers and handy office printers and us lot providing free beta testing
don't know what real life is like. They really need to pull their socks up
PDQ.

MaxB

In article ,
(Paul Scott) wrote:

Just wondering how the service is being used in the morning peak at
the moment, as I haven't been in London before mid day at all since
the preview began, and it's gone a bit quiet on the subject here...

Are there signs of many passengers having gone back to changing onto
the ELL at NX or NXG, as pre conversion, ie when it was an LU line?

Traffic was light tonight when I finally got my first ride, from Canada
Water to Dalston Junction and back to Whitechapel.

Did the Whitechapel Southbound EL platform always have such crap access to
the District and H & C platforms (over a foot bridge onto the Northbound
platform)? It wasn't as I remembered but it's a long time since I
interchanged there.

--
Colin Rosenstiel