On 25 May, 13:01, Mizter T wrote:
On May 25, 12:38*pm, Andy wrote:





On 25 May, 12:22, Bruce wrote:

On Mon, 24 May 2010 20:59:00 +0100, Basil Jet
[snip]
A Crossrail branch to Watford Junction is, but was rejected
by the Crossrail team.

That I can understand, as a Watford to Crossrail service would not
make sense. *But a Watford to Heathrow service does make sense to
improve access to Heathrow Airport by public transport from the WCML
and its large catchment. *

Currently, most of these people drive to the airport. *Some masochists
go by rail via Euston, the Victoria Line to Green Park thence the
Piccadilly Line, or the Victoria Line to Oxford Circus then the
Bakerloo Line to Paddington, then Heathrow Express/Connect or walk to
Euston Square, Teacup Line and Heathrow Express/Connect. *Very few
people use the Green Line coach.

And some people change to the Bakerloo line (for Paddington) at Harrow
& Wealdstone, which is actually as quick and certainly less painful
for dragging luggage about than going via Euston.

Hadn't though of that. The train needs to stop at H&W of course.


It's not helped by the National Rail journey planner ignoring the
option (although it does give Watford Junction - Queen Park, change to
Bakerloo). The TfL journey planner does show services this way
changing at Harrow though.

I'm sure the following route idea will be dismissed out of hand by
some, but how about the Southern service to West Brompton, then a v.
short walk round the corner to Earl's Court Underground station for
the Piccadilly Line to Heathrow.


Or the possibility of going via Shepherd's Bush on the Southern
service, changing to the Central line to Ealing Broadway and then the
Heathrow Connect. The main problem here being the lack of step free
access to the Central line at Shepherds bush. The route does avoid
zone 1 though.

The stations really are close:http://www.streetmap.co.uk/oldmap.sr...&y=178250&ar=N



The more I think of it - and the more I look at the alternatives - the
more attractive a Watford to Heathrow service looks.

I think a Milton Keynes - Heathrow service would be a better bet for
getting punters out of their car from further north, the original
Rugby - Brighton service certainly had plenty of passengers (with
luggage) for Gatwick Airport, so there is demand for WCML - airport
traffic; its replacement Milton Keynes - Croydon still also has a fair
few passengers asking about which platform at Clapham Junction for
Gatwick.

Shame they don't change at East Croydon, where it's rather easier -
ramps for step-free access, plus only six platforms to contend with.
Perhaps announcements on-board the Southern WLL service should make
this option clear (and journey planners tweaked accordingly).

Definitely easier, but slower so the journey planner rarely give it as
an option, I think you can get it as an option using the with step
free access button.

On Tue, 25 May 2010 06:14:46 -0700 (PDT), Mizter T
wrote:

Alternatively you could approach his chum Mr Gilligan, who is a bit of
a glass bollock (whatever that might mean)


Does it mean that you can see through him?

As in, I always thought there was a need for greater transparency?

In article
,
(Mizter T) wrote:

I'm sure the following route idea will be dismissed out of hand by
some, but how about the Southern service to West Brompton, then a v.
short walk round the corner to Earl's Court Underground station for
the Piccadilly Line to Heathrow.

The stations really are close:
http://www.streetmap.co.uk/oldmap.sr...&y=178250&ar=N

It even has a frequent train service between them!

That map is a bit deceptive. Is the Warwick Road entrance to Earl's Court
always open? The main entrance is a lot less easy to reach on foot from
West Brompton.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

On 25 May, 13:55, Tom Anderson wrote:
On Tue, 25 May 2010, lonelytraveller wrote:
On 24 May, 13:53, Tom Anderson wrote:

So let me get this straight: if they reopened York Road, at the cost of
god knows how many hundreds of millions of pounds, then the NLL option
would offer "plenty of decent connections". As opposed to the Euston
option, which costs nothing, and offers plenty of extremely good
connections. Okay, i can agree with that.

You're assuming that that would be the only major reason for opening
York Road - that the cost would be primarily to aid the NLL. It
wouldn't. The biggest commercial construction project in Europe is
happening right next to York Road station.

It's also close enough to King's Cross that that doesn't matter, and the
disbenefit to Picc passengers slowed down by passing through it would
outweigh any benefits that did accrue. Reopening York Road has a negative
benefit-to-cost ratio, so unless there is substantial benefit to the NLL,
it's a non-starter.

That's like claiming putting a stop on the DLR at Canary Wharf is
pointless because its close enough to Poplar.

On 26 May, 01:34, lonelytraveller
wrote:

That's like claiming putting a stop on the DLR at Canary Wharf is
pointless because its close enough to Poplar.^

The DLR does have stops that are in any meaningful sense far too close
together - the three at the Canary Wharf complex being good examples
(though not Poplar). The main reason for this, I'd think, is because
of the massive demand - it reduces the chance of dangerous
overcrowding.

Neil

On May 26, 8:10*am, Neil Williams wrote:
On 26 May, 01:34, lonelytraveller

wrote:
That's like claiming putting a stop on the DLR at Canary Wharf is
pointless because its close enough to Poplar.^

The DLR does have stops that are in any meaningful sense far too close
together - the three at the Canary Wharf complex being good examples
(though not Poplar). *The main reason for this, I'd think, is because
of the massive demand - it reduces the chance of dangerous
overcrowding.


The original reason, around Canary Wharf anyway, was due to each
station being on an individual dock, with a long walk around 'on dry
land' and no footbridges.

On May 26, 8:47*am, Andy wrote:

On May 26, 8:10*am, Neil *Williams wrote:

On 26 May, 01:34, lonelytraveller
wrote:
That's like claiming putting a stop on the DLR at Canary Wharf is
pointless because its close enough to Poplar.^

The DLR does have stops that are in any meaningful sense far too close
together - the three at the Canary Wharf complex being good examples
(though not Poplar). *The main reason for this, I'd think, is because
of the massive demand - it reduces the chance of dangerous
overcrowding.

The original reason, around Canary Wharf anyway, was due to each
station being on an individual dock, with a long walk around 'on dry
land' and no footbridges.

Absolutely. The point was to link up the Dock-lands. Nothing to do
with "massive demand", because there wasn't any such thing.

On 26 May, 08:47, Andy wrote:
On May 26, 8:10*am, Neil *Williams wrote:

On 26 May, 01:34, lonelytraveller

wrote:
That's like claiming putting a stop on the DLR at Canary Wharf is
pointless because its close enough to Poplar.^

The DLR does have stops that are in any meaningful sense far too close
together - the three at the Canary Wharf complex being good examples
(though not Poplar). *The main reason for this, I'd think, is because
of the massive demand - it reduces the chance of dangerous
overcrowding.

The original reason, around Canary Wharf anyway, was due to each
station being on an individual dock, with a long walk around 'on dry
land' and no footbridges.

The "long walk around" is shorter than the walk at Kings Cross between
the Northern Line and Victoria line via the Northern Ticket Hall

On 26 May, 12:39, lonelytraveller
wrote:
On 26 May, 08:47, Andy wrote:





On May 26, 8:10*am, Neil *Williams wrote:

On 26 May, 01:34, lonelytraveller

wrote:
That's like claiming putting a stop on the DLR at Canary Wharf is
pointless because its close enough to Poplar.^

The DLR does have stops that are in any meaningful sense far too close
together - the three at the Canary Wharf complex being good examples
(though not Poplar). *The main reason for this, I'd think, is because
of the massive demand - it reduces the chance of dangerous
overcrowding.

The original reason, around Canary Wharf anyway, was due to each
station being on an individual dock, with a long walk around 'on dry
land' and no footbridges.

The "long walk around" is shorter than the walk at Kings Cross between
the Northern Line and Victoria line via the Northern Ticket Hall

No it wasn't, it used to take a good ten minutes to walk from West
India Quay - Canary Wharf, around the end of the dock. Times are
reduced now, as there is a footbridge; you can walk all the way from
the Victoria line northern ticket hall subway to St. Pancras
International in about five minutes, passing the Northern line
entrance about halfway.

On Tue, 25 May 2010, Mizter T wrote:


On May 25, 1:49*pm, Tom Anderson wrote:

On Mon, 24 May 2010, Mizter T wrote:

On May 24, 1:53*pm, Tom Anderson wrote:

On Sun, 23 May 2010, lonelytraveller wrote:
[snip]
You make the incredibly stupid mistake of assuming that nearly everyone
travelling to Euston is only going as far as Euston. For everyone else,
the north london line makes plenty of decent connections, or at least it
would if they could be bothered to reopen York Road.

So let me get this straight: if they reopened York Road, at the cost of
god knows how many hundreds of millions of pounds, then the NLL option
would offer "plenty of decent connections". As opposed to the Euston
option, which costs nothing, and offers plenty of extremely good
connections. Okay, i can agree with that.

Alternatively, there could be an express canalbus service from Camden
(for Camden Rd NLL) to St. Pancras/ Kings Cross, just down the road from
Euston...

No, as we've discussed before, INDISPUTABLY the ONLY option is for TfL to
restore the Fleet to the surface, and run gondola services from Camden
Town (right by which it passes) to King's Cross, with branches to Euston
and the City. Map:

http://www.fluffhouse.org.uk/lynnette/stuff/mappe2.jpg

I know a man who'd be intrigued by your ideas. He's called the Mayor,
and he can be found in a glass bollock next to the River Thames.

An EMINENTLY SOUND suggestion. Except i suspect the Bojjer is well harsh
on river transport ever since his Close Encounter of the Quaggy Kind. He's
surely more likely to suggest paving the Thames.

I heard that Alan Johnson might run for the Labour mayoral candidacy. I
would support this, due to the Johnson-Johnson confusion it would cause,
and because if A. Johnson won, we could call him New Johnson.

Alternatively you could approach his chum Mr Gilligan, who is a bit of a
glass bollock (whatever that might mean), who could write a policy paper
about it.

Would this not fall into the balliwick of the Power Ranger?

tom

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