In message , at 13:00:38
on Sat, 19 Jun 2010, remarked:
And this government can't be bothered to fix?

They seem to think it's already fixed, I think.

So we won't hear any more whinging from Cambridge City about the
unfairness of it all. Good.

Depends where you read. In the right places you would have heard much the
same refrain from quite a list of councils.

What refrain is that - applauding that the system has been made more
fair (which is what you appeared to be claiming).
--
Roland Perry

In article , (Roland
Perry) wrote:

In message , at
13:00:38 on Sat, 19 Jun 2010, remarked:
And this government can't be bothered to fix?

They seem to think it's already fixed, I think.

So we won't hear any more whinging from Cambridge City about the
unfairness of it all. Good.

Depends where you read. In the right places you would have heard much
the same refrain from quite a list of councils.

What refrain is that - applauding that the system has been made
more fair (which is what you appeared to be claiming).

Both. The fact that their finances were being destabilised and when the
last Government acted to fix that, the London councils claiming fire
consequences for the whole London Freedom Pass scheme.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

The House of Commons Library published a paper last month describing
bus concessionary fare schemes in the UK.
http://www.parliament.uk/briefingpap...snbt-01499.pdf

Yesterday, they published another paper describing a proposal in 2002
to limit bus concessions for older and disabled people to a half fare.
I wonder why?
http://www.parliament.uk/briefingpap...snbt-02009.pdf

"John @ home" wrote in message
...
The House of Commons Library published a paper last month describing
bus concessionary fare schemes in the UK.
http://www.parliament.uk/briefingpap...snbt-01499.pdf

Yesterday, they published another paper describing a proposal in 2002
to limit bus concessions for older and disabled people to a half fare.
I wonder why?
http://www.parliament.uk/briefingpap...snbt-02009.pdf


Could that be in response to an MP's question ?

The Hansard for the last session of PMQT or Transport questions if there
is one may answer that one.

Which isn't to say it wasn't a planted question.


Martin

In message
,
"John @ home" writes

The House of Commons Library published a paper last month describing
bus concessionary fare schemes in the UK.
http://www.parliament.uk/briefingpap...ch/briefings/s
nbt-01499.pdf

Yesterday, they published another paper describing a proposal in 2002
to limit bus concessions for older and disabled people to a half fare.
I wonder why?
http://www.parliament.uk/briefingpap...ch/briefings/s
nbt-02009.pdf

The coalition government wants to review the financing of the scheme,
while at the same time being committed to free travel for the people
concerned.

AIUI, from comments in u.t.l. by Colin Rosentheil and others, the costs
don't fall equitably on local authorities at present - in particular,
those that are popular holiday resorts or tourist destinations end up
paying for a lot of "out of area" visitors.
--
Paul Terry

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(Paul Terry) wrote:

In message
,
"John @ home" writes

The House of Commons Library published a paper last month describing
bus concessionary fare schemes in the UK.

http://www.parliament.uk/briefingpap.../briefings/snb
t-01499.pdf

Yesterday, they published another paper describing a proposal in 2002
to limit bus concessions for older and disabled people to a half fare.
I wonder why?

http://www.parliament.uk/briefingpap.../briefings/snb
t-02009.pdf

The coalition government wants to review the financing of the
scheme, while at the same time being committed to free travel for
the people concerned.

AIUI, from comments in u.t.l. by Colin Rosentheil and others, the
costs don't fall equitably on local authorities at present - in
particular, those that are popular holiday resorts or tourist
destinations end up paying for a lot of "out of area" visitors.

It appears that the funding will shift from District to County councils in
2011. That will smooth things out a bit but still needs a grant formula
which relates more closely to actual expenditure.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

In message , at 19:44:28 on Sat, 3
Jul 2010, Paul Terry remarked:
AIUI, from comments in u.t.l. by Colin Rosentheil and others, the costs
don't fall equitably on local authorities at present - in particular,
those that are popular holiday resorts or tourist destinations end up
paying for a lot of "out of area" visitors.

They are allegedly "not compensated enough" for those out-of-area
visitors. It doesn't seem very difficult to tweak the formulae a little
to take account of this[1], so the bad guys here are those who don't
want to do that.

[1] Assuming that policy objectives are indeed for it to be completely
neutral irrespective of the journeys being made.
--
Roland Perry

In message , at 18:29:46
on Sat, 3 Jul 2010, remarked:
It appears that the funding will shift from District to County councils in
2011. That will smooth things out a bit but still needs a grant formula
which relates more closely to actual expenditure.

It's not going to help somewhere like Peterborough[1], which would
presumably have the same problem as Cambridge does now.

[1] Which as we all know is a unitary County.
--
Roland Perry

"Roland Perry" wrote in message
...
In message , at 19:44:28 on Sat, 3
Jul 2010, Paul Terry remarked:
AIUI, from comments in u.t.l. by Colin Rosentheil and others, the costs
don't fall equitably on local authorities at present - in particular,
those that are popular holiday resorts or tourist destinations end up
paying for a lot of "out of area" visitors.

They are allegedly "not compensated enough" for those out-of-area
visitors. It doesn't seem very difficult to tweak the formulae a little to
take account of this[1], so the bad guys here are those who don't want to
do that.

I can't remember where it is but there is at least one council who quite
happily admits to making a profit on the current deal

tim

In article , (Roland
Perry) wrote:

In message , at
18:29:46 on Sat, 3 Jul 2010, remarked:
It appears that the funding will shift from District to County councils
in 2011. That will smooth things out a bit but still needs a grant
formula which relates more closely to actual expenditure.

It's not going to help somewhere like Peterborough[1], which would
presumably have the same problem as Cambridge does now.

[1] Which as we all know is a unitary County.

How short of its concessionary fares spend is the grant it receives? Not
over £1 million as in Cambridge, I bet.

--
Colin Rosenstiel