According to RMTs info to train staff:

"The RMT has ordered two days of action to highlight safety on the tubes.
On these days, train operators will drive at a maximum of 35 miles an
hour. On areas of track of particular concern, drivers will be advised to
drive at lower speeds.
This will affect the entire network as the union believes that there are
no areas that are up to standard.
This is because in preparation for the introduction of PPP London
Underground allowed the ongoing deterioration of track.
The action will commence on December the 8th until close of traffic on
December the 9th"

Roger

That should be 25mph, so the Circle will be going faster then!


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According to RMTs info to train staff:

"The RMT has ordered two days of action to highlight safety on the tubes.
On these days, train operators will drive at a maximum of 35 miles an
hour. On areas of track of particular concern, drivers will be advised to
drive at lower speeds.
This will affect the entire network as the union believes that there are
no areas that are up to standard.
This is because in preparation for the introduction of PPP London
Underground allowed the ongoing deterioration of track.
The action will commence on December the 8th until close of traffic on
December the 9th"

Roger

In article ,
(Ishmael Sayle III) wrote:

That should be 25mph, so the Circle will be going faster then!



Oops!, yes it should have been 25mph.

There was more to the information (listing the RMT demands) which I didn't
copy, but the last paragraph on that section read:

"For the safety of staff and passengers it is urgent that these measures
be implemented immediately. If management don't accede to these demands
then the union should introduce an ongoing work to rule backed up by
strike action".


Strange how the RMT have decided that since the state of the track is so
bad that it requires a speed restriction/go slow, they then have no
problems with running at normal speed over these sections after the 9th
December.

I think that the RMT have lost the plot and will no doubt have to back
down with egg on their face like they usually do.

I don't know what ASLEF's view on this is - as far as I know they haven't
balloted their members about the issues (but I may be wrong).

As for a work to rule, I can't see that having much effect because these
days staff effectively work to the rules anyway, purely because there's
not much leeway to do otherwise. If there is a work to rule, it will be
the staff that lose out, but then I don't suppose they thought of that.


Roger

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According to RMTs info to train staff:

"The RMT has ordered two days of action to highlight safety on the tubes.
On these days, train operators will drive at a maximum of 35 miles an
hour. On areas of track of particular concern, drivers will be advised to
drive at lower speeds.
This will affect the entire network as the union believes that there are
no areas that are up to standard.
This is because in preparation for the introduction of PPP London
Underground allowed the ongoing deterioration of track.
The action will commence on December the 8th until close of traffic on
December the 9th"

Roger

That will be interesting to watch under ATO on the Central Line!
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"Andrew P Smith" wrote in message
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In article ,
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According to RMTs info to train staff:
"The RMT has ordered two days of action to highlight safety on the tubes.
On these days, train operators will drive at a maximum of 35 miles an
hour. On areas of track of particular concern, drivers will be advised to
drive at lower speeds.
This will affect the entire network as the union believes that there are
no areas that are up to standard.

That will be interesting to watch under ATO on the Central Line!

It will be interesting to see how a 35mph maximum on the Metropolitan line
affects services and also the knock on effect to Chiltern Railways services!
What will Chiltern's reaction be to having their services (and their good
name) adversely affected by a dispute which has nothing whatever to do with
them.

Similarly, to a lesser extent, the impact on Silverlink services over shared
track.

"Jack Taylor" wrote in message
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"Andrew P Smith" wrote in message
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In article ,
writes
According to RMTs info to train staff:
"The RMT has ordered two days of action to highlight safety on the
tubes.
On these days, train operators will drive at a maximum of 35 miles an
hour. On areas of track of particular concern, drivers will be advised
to
drive at lower speeds.
This will affect the entire network as the union believes that there are
no areas that are up to standard.

That will be interesting to watch under ATO on the Central Line!

It will be interesting to see how a 35mph maximum on the Metropolitan line
affects services and also the knock on effect to Chiltern Railways
services!
What will Chiltern's reaction be to having their services (and their good
name) adversely affected by a dispute which has nothing whatever to do with
them.

Similarly, to a lesser extent, the impact on Silverlink services over
shared
track.

If the LU driver schedulers were clever then they could make sure they put
the non-RMT drivers on the fast Amershams and leave the RMT drivers on the
slow services.

Peter Smyth

Jack Taylor wrote:
"Andrew P Smith" wrote in message
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According to RMTs info to train staff:
"The RMT has ordered two days of action to highlight safety on the tubes.
On these days, train operators will drive at a maximum of 35 miles an
hour. On areas of track of particular concern, drivers will be advised to
drive at lower speeds.
This will affect the entire network as the union believes that there are
no areas that are up to standard.

That will be interesting to watch under ATO on the Central Line!


It will be interesting to see how a 35mph maximum on the Metropolitan line
affects services and also the knock on effect to Chiltern Railways services!
What will Chiltern's reaction be to having their services (and their good
name) adversely affected by a dispute which has nothing whatever to do with
them.

Similarly, to a lesser extent, the impact on Silverlink services over shared
track.

Would these companies be able to make a claim against either the RMT or
London Underground for compensation to cover penalty payments for the
delay caused to their trains?

Of course LU might just cancel trains from Moor Park to Amersham and
Queens Park to Harrow & Wealdstone.

--
Dave Arquati
Imperial College, SW7

On Sat, 29 Nov 2003 20:23:30 +0000, Dave Arquati wrote:

Would these companies be able to make a claim against either the RMT or
London Underground for compensation to cover penalty payments for the
delay caused to their trains?

Network Rail would bill TfL for any delay minutes attributed to them as
a result of the action, which could add up to quite a substantial sum,
as it has the potential to disrupt far more services than you would at
first think, given Chiltern has direct interfaces with Vrigin Cross
Country and Central Trains/Centro services...

Cya,

Barry

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On Sun, 30 Nov 2003 13:13:14 +0000, Barry Salter
wrote:

On Sat, 29 Nov 2003 20:23:30 +0000, Dave Arquati wrote:

Would these companies be able to make a claim against either the RMT or
London Underground for compensation to cover penalty payments for the
delay caused to their trains?

Network Rail would bill TfL for any delay minutes attributed to them as
a result of the action, which could add up to quite a substantial sum,
as it has the potential to disrupt far more services than you would at
first think, given Chiltern has direct interfaces with Vrigin Cross
Country and Central Trains/Centro services...

I'd dearly love to see Network Rail try given any agreements are between
the operating companies and LUL not the infrastructure provider. You'll
also find that the extent of "pass through" of penalties between
organisations is very limited.

Also I'd struggle to understand how a slow running Met train would
really have any impact on Virgin Cross Country near Banbury given the
interworked LUL section really only impacts Marylebone - Aylesbury via
Amersham trains. Perhaps I'm missing something?
--
Paul C
Admits to Working for London Underground!

That will be interesting to watch under ATO on the Central Line!
--
Andrew

Well obviously its not going to affect the Central or Victoria lines, so no,
it won't be interesting at all Andy
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