On Thu, 8 Jul 2010 22:45:08 +0100, Duncan wrote:

I can't see why the Circle line changes should have made any difference
to people exiting at Paddington. Sure the overall numbers arriving per
hour will have increased, but has the number of passengers exiting per
train really changed?

It is now the case that two trains worth of people can build up on the
platform (the second arriving while the first is still clearing). It
is at its worst when this happens.

At 12tph-ish, if it takes 10 minutes to clear the platform (this has
happened) you might even get a third train if you are unlucky.

Most people joining at stations like King's Cross heading to Paddington
got on the first service regardless of whether it was a Hammersmith &
City or Circle service.

Possibly. But I think going away from Padd that people would as a
whole "default" to the Circle Line, just because that's the known
quantity. Commuters, of course, will have their own way of doing
things, but there would at least be some split.

Neil
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Possibly. But I think going away from Padd that people would as a
whole "default" to the Circle Line, just because that's the known
quantity. Commuters, of course, will have their own way of doing
things, but there would at least be some split.

Neil
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Neil Williams in Milton Keynes, UK
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If I am heading from Paddington to King's Cross or Liverpool St I normally
take a southbound Bakerloo train to Baker Street and then the Met line from
there. If there is a long wait for the Met I have the option of using the
Circle instead but normally I wait for the Met because it is less crowded.

John

In message of Mon, 12 Jul 2010
18:15:29 in uk.transport.london, John C writes


"Neil Williams" wrote in message
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Possibly. But I think going away from Padd that people would as a
whole "default" to the Circle Line, just because that's the known
quantity. Commuters, of course, will have their own way of doing
things, but there would at least be some split.

Neil
-- Neil Williams in Milton Keynes, UK
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If I am heading from Paddington to King's Cross or Liverpool St I
normally take a southbound Bakerloo train to Baker Street and then the
Met line from there. If there is a long wait for the Met I have the
option of using the Circle instead but normally I wait for the Met
because it is less crowded.

If you wait inside the Metropolitan Ticket Hall gateline above the steps
down to platform 5 (eastbound arriving from Edgware Road), you can
monitor train arrival on a screen. There is only a minute's notice for
Circle and Hammersmith & City trains. It took me years of occasional use
to discover that. At the moment, "From Monday 5 until Friday 23 July,
southbound Metropolitan line trains to Aldgate are non-stopping." I
think you may have a good suggestion with respect to Bakerloo usage. I
find queues on arrival at Paddington are not much of a problem as I know
the doors nearest the stairs (16E-2.3 15W-5.2). Leaving from it is vile,
now they have removed the seating and seem to have put in distressed
decoration.
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Walter Briscoe

On Jul 12, 6:50*pm, Walter Briscoe
wrote:

In message of Mon, 12 Jul 2010
18:15:29 in uk.transport.london, John C writes:

"Neil Williams" wrote:

Possibly. *But I think going away from Padd that people would as a
whole "default" to the Circle Line, just because that's the known
quantity. *Commuters, of course, will have their own way of doing
things, but there would at least be some split.

If I am heading from Paddington to King's Cross or Liverpool St I
normally take a southbound Bakerloo train to Baker Street and then the
Met line from there. If there is a long wait for the Met I have the
option of using the Circle instead but normally I wait for the Met
because it is less crowded.

If you wait inside the Metropolitan Ticket Hall gateline above the steps
down to platform 5 (eastbound arriving from Edgware Road), you can
monitor train arrival on a screen. There is only a minute's notice for
Circle and Hammersmith & City trains. It took me years of occasional use
to discover that. [...]

That's a useful tip, thanks - as much as waiting for a Met might be
the more civilised choice, I'm often to be found in a rush and caring
little for such niceties!

[...] At the moment, "From Monday 5 until Friday 23 July,
southbound Metropolitan line trains to Aldgate are non-stopping." I
think you may have a good suggestion with respect to Bakerloo usage. I
find queues on arrival at Paddington are not much of a problem as I know
the doors nearest the stairs (16E-2.3 15W-5.2). Leaving from it is vile,
now they have removed the seating and seem to have put in distressed
decoration.

On Mon, 12 Jul 2010 18:15:29 +0100, "John C"
wrote:

If I am heading from Paddington to King's Cross or Liverpool St I normally
take a southbound Bakerloo train to Baker Street and then the Met line from
there. If there is a long wait for the Met I have the option of using the
Circle instead but normally I wait for the Met because it is less crowded.

Tried the 18 bus this morning, and it seemed a good choice - not much
slower (even though I had to wander round a bit before I found the
back entrance) and not overcrowded - I think that will now be the
default.

Don't know about going home, though, as the Marylebone / Euston Road
seems a lot busier in the evening peak going east than it is around
0800 going west.

Neil
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On Jul 13, 12:02*am, Neil Williams
wrote:

On Mon, 12 Jul 2010 18:15:29 +0100, "John C"
wrote:

If I am heading from Paddington to King's Cross or Liverpool St I normally
take a southbound Bakerloo train to Baker Street and then the Met line from
there. If there is a long wait for the Met I have the option of using the
Circle instead but normally I wait for the Met because it is less crowded.

Tried the 18 bus this morning, and it seemed a good choice - not much
slower (even though I had to wander round a bit before I found the
back entrance) and not overcrowded - I think that will now be the
default.

Aha, great stuff Neil - I'm glad someone's up for trying out my
unorthodox suggestions! More to the point, I'm glad to hear it
actually worked out alright! I've done it myself of course (wouldn't
have been quite so keen to suggest it if I hadn't!), but not during
the morning rush.


Don't know about going home, though, as the Marylebone / Euston Road
seems a lot busier in the evening peak going east than it is around
0800 going west.

I can imagine the buses could be fairly busy too - well, almost
certainly busier that an 8am-ish westbound bus. Still, if you do give
it a try then do pls report back.