Does anyone know when the bus station and rear exit at Dalston Junction
is opening? It's been finished as far as I can see for a while but the
staff have no idea when.

Also, there's still very few people on the ELL - at least when I've been
on it - eg changing from a grossly overcrowded Jubilee at Canada Water
yesterday at about 6.30pm and heading north - I'm worried services will
be cut.

E.

eastender wrote:
Does anyone know when the bus station and rear exit at Dalston Junction
is opening? It's been finished as far as I can see for a while but the
staff have no idea when.

Also, there's still very few people on the ELL - at least when I've been
on it - eg changing from a grossly overcrowded Jubilee at Canada Water
yesterday at about 6.30pm and heading north - I'm worried services will
be cut.

E.

They can't cut the top bit without cutting the bottom bit, logically,
and from what I'm hearing people are preferring ELLX services into
Canada Water over Southeastern into London Bridge, so I think it's safe,
particularly if/when we get the step change in Jubilee capacity. Also
the northern bit is very much a work in progress due to City office
construction projects, Crossrail, extension to High & I etc. I don't
see any reason to suppose that it'll be any less successful than the
rest of the Overground once that's all in place.

Tom

On 15 July, 11:05, Tom Barry wrote:
eastender wrote:
Does anyone know when the bus station and rear exit at Dalston Junction
is opening? It's been finished as far as I can see for a while but the
staff have no idea when.

Also, there's still very few people on the ELL - at least when I've been
on it - eg changing from a grossly overcrowded Jubilee at Canada Water
yesterday at about 6.30pm and heading north - I'm worried services will
be cut.

E.

They can't cut the top bit without cutting the bottom bit, logically,
and from what I'm hearing people are preferring ELLX services into
Canada Water over Southeastern into London Bridge, so I think it's safe,
particularly if/when we get the step change in Jubilee capacity. *Also
the northern bit is very much a work in progress due to City office
construction projects, Crossrail, extension to High & I etc. *I don't
see any reason to suppose that it'll be any less successful than the
rest of the Overground once that's all in place.

Tom

When I see ELL trains at New Cross, there is never more than a handful
of people at any time of day. That branch seems to be getting less
use now than it ever did.

The other branch seems to be more successful, or more heavily used
anyway. Partly it's down to that being what's more likely to turn
up. I mean, if you turn up randomly at Forest Hill, there's more
chance that the first train will be going to Canada Water. That
doesn't really mean it's preferred, just that people get on what comes
and don't change.

On Jul 15, 12:29*pm, MIG wrote:

On 15 July, 11:05, Tom Barry wrote:

eastender wrote:
Does anyone know when the bus station and rear exit at Dalston Junction
is opening? It's been finished as far as I can see for a while but the
staff have no idea when.

Also, there's still very few people on the ELL - at least when I've been
on it - eg changing from a grossly overcrowded Jubilee at Canada Water
yesterday at about 6.30pm and heading north - I'm worried services will
be cut.

They can't cut the top bit without cutting the bottom bit, logically,
and from what I'm hearing people are preferring ELLX services into
Canada Water over Southeastern into London Bridge, so I think it's safe,
particularly if/when we get the step change in Jubilee capacity. *Also
the northern bit is very much a work in progress due to City office
construction projects, Crossrail, extension to High & I etc. *I don't
see any reason to suppose that it'll be any less successful than the
rest of the Overground once that's all in place.

When I see ELL trains at New Cross, there is never more than a handful
of people at any time of day. *That branch seems to be getting less
use now than it ever did.

The other branch seems to be more successful, or more heavily used
anyway. *Partly it's down to that being what's more likely to turn
up. *I mean, if you turn up randomly at Forest Hill, there's more
chance that the first train will be going to Canada Water. *That
doesn't really mean it's preferred, just that people get on what comes
and don't change.

Well, the interchange between ELL and Jubilee line at Canada Water is
very easy, compared to the interchange between NR and the Jubilee at
London Bridge - so for those heading west into town beyond London
Bridge on the Jubbly, the ELL route might well be preferred. Also, if
one is heading east on the Jubbly, then going to Canada Water would be
preferred choice rather than going all teh way in to London Bridge and
back out again. And it's not just people who work at Canary Wharf who
might be heading east.

I'd be interested to see New Cross at rush hour to try and observe the
flows.

On 15 July, 13:12, Mizter T wrote:
On Jul 15, 12:29*pm, MIG wrote:





On 15 July, 11:05, Tom Barry wrote:

eastender wrote:
Does anyone know when the bus station and rear exit at Dalston Junction
is opening? It's been finished as far as I can see for a while but the
staff have no idea when.

Also, there's still very few people on the ELL - at least when I've been
on it - eg changing from a grossly overcrowded Jubilee at Canada Water
yesterday at about 6.30pm and heading north - I'm worried services will
be cut.

They can't cut the top bit without cutting the bottom bit, logically,
and from what I'm hearing people are preferring ELLX services into
Canada Water over Southeastern into London Bridge, so I think it's safe,
particularly if/when we get the step change in Jubilee capacity. *Also
the northern bit is very much a work in progress due to City office
construction projects, Crossrail, extension to High & I etc. *I don't
see any reason to suppose that it'll be any less successful than the
rest of the Overground once that's all in place.

When I see ELL trains at New Cross, there is never more than a handful
of people at any time of day. *That branch seems to be getting less
use now than it ever did.

The other branch seems to be more successful, or more heavily used
anyway. *Partly it's down to that being what's more likely to turn
up. *I mean, if you turn up randomly at Forest Hill, there's more
chance that the first train will be going to Canada Water. *That
doesn't really mean it's preferred, just that people get on what comes
and don't change.

Well, the interchange between ELL and Jubilee line at Canada Water is
very easy, compared to the interchange between NR and the Jubilee at
London Bridge - so for those heading west into town beyond London
Bridge on the Jubbly, the ELL route might well be preferred. Also, if
one is heading east on the Jubbly, then going to Canada Water would be
preferred choice rather than going all teh way in to London Bridge and
back out again. And it's not just people who work at Canary Wharf who
might be heading east.

I'd be interested to see New Cross at rush hour to try and observe the
flows.

I will try to make a point of observing a train more carefully in the
morning peak when I get the chance. If I pass in the evening or at
weekends, they are always empty when I see them, but that's not peak
for people getting on them. If I pass in the morning, there's a good
chance I'd be in a train too full to see out of. Needs some strategic
positioning.

In article
,
Mizter T wrote:

Also, if one is heading east on the Jubbly, then going to Canada Water would be
preferred choice rather than going all teh way in to London Bridge and
back out again. And it's not just people who work at Canary Wharf who
might be heading east.

Yes the interchange is easy but as my wife knows - she works in Canary
Wharf - actually getting on the Jubilee is a different matter.

E.

MIG wrote:

Some lovely confused and wrong comments about Oyster on there ...

Yes, this is what we call 'members of the public'. Oyster's current
state of needing a degree to understand it is not, in my opinion, one of
its strengths.

I agree that London Bridge is a bluddy awful station, particularly for
interchanging, and always has been, but with the reduced overcrowding
on Southern, I think I'd always favour it unless I actually wanted the
Jubilee. I also wouldn't fancy my chances of getting into the Jubilee
in either direction at Canada Water.

Remember the Jubilee should have been operating at 30% higher capacity
for several months before the ELLX opened. Hardly the ELLX team's fault
Tube Lines mucked up so badly.

Tom

On Fri, 16 Jul 2010 11:32:00 +0100
Tom Barry wrote:
Remember the Jubilee should have been operating at 30% higher capacity
for several months before the ELLX opened. Hardly the ELLX team's fault
Tube Lines mucked up so badly.

I could understand the problems with the jubilee if it was still 1995. But
surely in 2010 moving block ATO should be a turnkey install? Its not
exactly bleeding edge tech. Why are they having such problems?

B2003

d wrote:


I could understand the problems with the jubilee if it was still 1995. But
surely in 2010 moving block ATO should be a turnkey install? Its not
exactly bleeding edge tech. Why are they having such problems?

A lot of of it appears to stem from thinking it would be a turnkey install..

[from memory, serious issues integrating with non-moving block non-ATO
on the bits shared with the Met plus the usual software issues on the
bit east of Green Park which they assumed would be easy].

Tom

On 15 July, 13:58, MIG wrote:
On 15 July, 13:12, Mizter T wrote:





On Jul 15, 12:29*pm, MIG wrote:

On 15 July, 11:05, Tom Barry wrote:

eastender wrote:
Does anyone know when the bus station and rear exit at Dalston Junction
is opening? It's been finished as far as I can see for a while but the
staff have no idea when.

Also, there's still very few people on the ELL - at least when I've been
on it - eg changing from a grossly overcrowded Jubilee at Canada Water
yesterday at about 6.30pm and heading north - I'm worried services will
be cut.

They can't cut the top bit without cutting the bottom bit, logically,
and from what I'm hearing people are preferring ELLX services into
Canada Water over Southeastern into London Bridge, so I think it's safe,
particularly if/when we get the step change in Jubilee capacity. *Also
the northern bit is very much a work in progress due to City office
construction projects, Crossrail, extension to High & I etc. *I don't
see any reason to suppose that it'll be any less successful than the
rest of the Overground once that's all in place.

When I see ELL trains at New Cross, there is never more than a handful
of people at any time of day. *That branch seems to be getting less
use now than it ever did.

The other branch seems to be more successful, or more heavily used
anyway. *Partly it's down to that being what's more likely to turn
up. *I mean, if you turn up randomly at Forest Hill, there's more
chance that the first train will be going to Canada Water. *That
doesn't really mean it's preferred, just that people get on what comes
and don't change.

Well, the interchange between ELL and Jubilee line at Canada Water is
very easy, compared to the interchange between NR and the Jubilee at
London Bridge - so for those heading west into town beyond London
Bridge on the Jubbly, the ELL route might well be preferred. Also, if
one is heading east on the Jubbly, then going to Canada Water would be
preferred choice rather than going all teh way in to London Bridge and
back out again. And it's not just people who work at Canary Wharf who
might be heading east.

I'd be interested to see New Cross at rush hour to try and observe the
flows.

I will try to make a point of observing a train more carefully in the
morning peak when I get the chance. *If I pass in the evening or at
weekends, they are always empty when I see them, but that's not peak
for people getting on them. *If I pass in the morning, there's a good
chance I'd be in a train too full to see out of. *Needs some strategic
positioning.

Well, I've tried to observe during a few recent weekdays. Very crude
estimates

One time at 0813 there was a train in the platform with about thirty
people in it.

One time at 0805 there was no train and about forty people on the
platform.

One time at 0852 there was no train and one person on the platform.

Obviously, it makes a lot of difference whether the train is due to go
and whether any feeding NR trains have arrived from the south since
the last one left. I suspect most ELL users at New Cross may be local
rather than changing, but that would take a lot of standing around to
verify. On the other branch, people do seem to be travelling through.