"John C" wrote in message
...


"Jon Passenger" wrote in message
...
Southern give the full third off with no minimum on some of their fares,
which is why I currently travel to London and back (from Brighton) for
£7.85
two or three times/week - that's the current Network Card discounted
super
off-peak return fare, routed Not Gatwick Express, with a 15% discount
for
buying via the web site.

If you don't believe it why don't you go and look for yourself? - after
all
where do you think I got the price I quoted from?

--
DAS

I can confirm that I've seen that happen (Southern website ignoring
the £13 NSE minimum). That was on a order with a mixture of railcards
- I'd just assumed that the system couldn't cope with the different
restrictions.

Jon

I'm curious to know what happens when the ticket inspector turns up? Is
he/she allowed to excess someone with a ticket for less than £13?

In the past I've had a Southeastern ticket machine, and a Southeastern
ticket office, both failing to apply the GBP 13 (or earlier GBP 10) minimum.
I've also had a Southeastern conductor querying a cheaper ticket bought with
a Network Card on a Saturday (when the minimum doesn't apply). He didn't
press the point when I asserted that I was correct and he was not, and a
subsequent email to Southeastern elicited a response that indicated that
that conductor would receive advice/extra training.

Peter

On Aug 10, 1:34*pm, "Peter Masson" wrote:

"John C" wrote:

I'm curious to know what happens when the ticket inspector turns up? Is
he/she allowed to excess someone with a ticket for less than £13?

In the past I've had a Southeastern ticket machine, and a Southeastern
ticket office, both failing to apply the GBP 13 (or earlier GBP 10) minimum.
I've also had a Southeastern conductor querying a cheaper ticket bought with
a Network Card on a Saturday (when the minimum doesn't apply). He didn't
press the point when I asserted that I was correct and he was not, and a
subsequent email to Southeastern elicited a response that indicated that
that conductor would receive advice/extra training.

One scenario that's crossed my mind before is buying a sub-£13 Network
Railcard discounted period return ticket on a Saturday, then extending
one's stay wherever it is and trying to use the return portion on a
Monday.

However having just thought about it, I don't think there are any
period return tickets (as opposed to day return) in the south east
that are cheap enough for the railcard-discount of a third to result
in the fare coming in below £13.

As a complete aside, playing around with a booking engine I see that
Southeastern is offering a new type of ticket that I hadn't noticed
before - the "SE Weekender", which is priced at just a little above
the Off-Peak Day Return fare. Plus one can travel out on a Friday as
well as a Saturday, and hence can return on Saturday or Sunday (n.b.
any travel on a Friday has to be at off-peak times).

This is a welcome innovation (shades of the Network Awaybreak
perhaps), and can work out a fair bit cheaper than buying the relevant
Off-Peak period Return fare - however I note that the SE Weekender is
also available for many shorter journeys where there's no period
return fares available (e.g. it's even available between Dartford and
London, though not Dartford and Margate - the potential for misuse, or
rather undetected re-use, on journeys such as the latter is presumably
considered greater).

"Mizter T" wrote

However having just thought about it, I don't think there are any
period return tickets (as opposed to day return) in the south east
that are cheap enough for the railcard-discount of a third to result
in the fare coming in below £13.

There are some, e.g. Reading to Oxford Off-peak return GBP 14.30, out
Saturday return Sunday with Network Card GBP 9.45, out Saturday return
Monday GBP 13.00, out and back Saturday (Off-peak Day Return, with Network
Card) GBP 4.95.

Peter

On Aug 10, 3:00*pm, "Peter Masson" wrote:

"Mizter T" wrote

However having just thought about it, I don't think there are any
period return tickets (as opposed to day return) in the south east
that are cheap enough for the railcard-discount of a third to result
in the fare coming in below £13.

There are some, e.g. Reading to Oxford Off-peak return GBP 14.30, out
Saturday return Sunday with Network Card GBP 9.45, out Saturday return
Monday GBP 13.00, out and back Saturday (Off-peak Day Return, with Network
Card) GBP 4.95.

So what happens (or should happen) if someone tried to use the return
portion of the NC-discounted £9.45 Off-Peak Return on the Monday, not
the Sunday - do they get excessed?

In article
,
(Mizter T) wrote:

I'm curious to know what happens when the ticket inspector turns up?
Is he/she allowed to excess someone with a ticket for less than £13?

Nothing would happen. These tickets are sold from Southern's own site,
after all.

Will that help me on the 09:20 from Cambridge to King's Cross when I have
an Off-Peak (not Day) Return? NXEA tell me it's not valid before 09:30 and
their machines now refuse to sell one before 09:30 (a bit tight for the
09:32) yet FCC's web site happily sells me that ticket for use on the
09:20 (and the 08:54 if I wanted) with TOD at NXEA's machines in Cambridge.

Barry recently confirmed here that it is a condition on the fare since a
year or two back but FCC clearly know nothing about it, despite it being
their fare and their condition.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

On Aug 10, 4:25*pm, wrote:

(Mizter T) wrote:

I'm curious to know what happens when the ticket inspector turns up?
Is he/she allowed to excess someone with a ticket for less than £13?

Nothing would happen. These tickets are sold from Southern's own site,
after all.

Will that help me on the 09:20 from Cambridge to King's Cross when I have
an Off-Peak (not Day) Return? NXEA tell me it's not valid before 09:30 and
their machines now refuse to sell one before 09:30 (a bit tight for the
09:32) yet FCC's web site happily sells me that ticket for use on the
09:20 (and the 08:54 if I wanted) with TOD at NXEA's machines in Cambridge.

Barry recently confirmed here that it is a condition on the fare since a
year or two back but FCC clearly know nothing about it, despite it being
their fare and their condition.

Appears to be an issue with the Trainline and their misinterpretation
of the rules - the FCC booking engine is 'powered by' the Trainline.
Looking at East Coast's (WebTIS) booking engine, it seems to correctly
interpret the rule, showing the 09:32 as the first train it the OPR
can be used on.

Alas it's not possible to get a reservation for these trains,
otherwise the 'booked train coupon' could be presented to any member
of staff in support of any argument that the ticket holder purchased
it in good faith. Otherwise a passenger could try presenting a print-
out of the journey details from the Trainline booking. Though knowing
what the restriction is and trying to get around it might not be the
best example of something done in good faith!

You could always get in touch with FCC - if the message got to the
right person at FCC they might then get on to the Trainline and get
them to tweak their database.

On 09/08/2010 12:41, Derek F wrote:
On 09/08/2010 11:13, Jon Passenger wrote:
On 9 Aug, 00:15, Mizter wrote:
On Aug 8, 11:02 pm, Derek wrote:



On 08/08/2010 11:42, Derek F wrote:

On 07/08/2010 23:35, Mizter T wrote:

On Aug 7, 11:20 pm, Derek wrote:

On 07/08/2010 20:21, Peter Smyth wrote:
(snip)
The cheapest way is a Daysave ticket for 10.00, unfortunately you
need to book 7 days in advance so it is too late for this trip.

Some Tourist Offices sell the Daysave on the day.

AIUI the only place that sells Southern DaySave tickets on the day is
the 1 Stop Travel shop in Brighton (run by Brighton& Hove buses) -
furthermore only the 1 Stop Travel shop on Old Steine, not the one at
Brighton station - more info:
http://www.buses.co.uk/trips/onestop.aspx

(snip)

Incidentally a ticket that goes by the name of DaySave is sold at
some
tourist offices, but it's the separate FCC Thameslink route DaySave -
more info at the bottom of this page:
http://www.firstcapitalconnect.co.uk/Main.php?iCmsPageId=104

(Worth noting that the 1 Stop Travel shop on Old Stein also sells
these on the day too.)

Eastbourne tourist office sell the DaySave tickets on the day. It
would
seem likely that Southern would have other outlets.

The Eastbourne web site says 'agents such as...'
http://www.visiteastbourne.com/thedm...&venue=3413256

Thanks Derek, didn't realise the Southern DaySave was available
anywhere else apart from the 1 Stop Travel shop in Brighton - be
interesting to know what other places sell it too.

We did have quite a big discussion about Southern DaySave on
uk.railway around this time last year, when the availability of said
ticket at 1 Stop Travel came up but no-one offered any other outlets,
so I had wrongly assumed it couldn't be purchased over the counter on
the day anywhere else.

I'd never heard of this either (my office overlooks the Old Steine,
BTN so I quite often end up using on-the-day DaySaves ) - the wording
clearly implies there could be other outlets but i've never come
across any.


My thought is that there must be London outlets.
Derek
I E-Mailed Southern and they replied:
"However, most tourist information offices in the area, such as
Eastbourne as you mentioned and Lewes and Hastings. I belive that the
one stop travel shop in Brighton is the only other outlet that you can
purchase these tickets on the day"
Derek

In article
,
(Mizter T) wrote:

On Aug 10, 4:25*pm, wrote:

Will that help me on the 09:20 from Cambridge to King's Cross when I
have an Off-Peak (not Day) Return? NXEA tell me it's not valid before
09:30 and their machines now refuse to sell one before 09:30 (a bit
tight for the 09:32) yet FCC's web site happily sells me that ticket
for use on the 09:20 (and the 08:54 if I wanted) with TOD at NXEA's
machines in Cambridge.

Barry recently confirmed here that it is a condition on the fare since
a year or two back but FCC clearly know nothing about it, despite it
being their fare and their condition.

Appears to be an issue with the Trainline and their misinterpretation
of the rules - the FCC booking engine is 'powered by' the Trainline.
Looking at East Coast's (WebTIS) booking engine, it seems to correctly
interpret the rule, showing the 09:32 as the first train it the OPR
can be used on.

Alas it's not possible to get a reservation for these trains,
otherwise the 'booked train coupon' could be presented to any member
of staff in support of any argument that the ticket holder purchased
it in good faith. Otherwise a passenger could try presenting a print-
out of the journey details from the Trainline booking. Though knowing
what the restriction is and trying to get around it might not be the
best example of something done in good faith!

I do have a printout, indeed. But I've never had it queried by anyone from
FCC and NXEA Customer Services even gave me a refund once for the
overcharge.

You could always get in touch with FCC - if the message got to the
right person at FCC they might then get on to the Trainline and get
them to tweak their database.

But I want to be able to use the 09:20, whether or not I'm staying in
London overnight!

--
Colin Rosenstiel

In message
, at
12:58:49 on Tue, 10 Aug 2010, Mizter T remarked:
Will that help me on the 09:20 from Cambridge to King's Cross when I have
an Off-Peak (not Day) Return? NXEA tell me it's not valid before 09:30 and
their machines now refuse to sell one before 09:30 (a bit tight for the
09:32) yet FCC's web site happily sells me that ticket for use on the
09:20 (and the 08:54 if I wanted) with TOD at NXEA's machines in Cambridge.

Barry recently confirmed here that it is a condition on the fare since a
year or two back but FCC clearly know nothing about it, despite it being
their fare and their condition.

Appears to be an issue with the Trainline and their misinterpretation
of the rules - the FCC booking engine is 'powered by' the Trainline.
Looking at East Coast's (WebTIS) booking engine, it seems to correctly
interpret the rule, showing the 09:32 as the first train it the OPR
can be used on.

5J - 9.30 except Bdeford and Peterborough when it's 9.15

Perhaps this is a case of a missing/obsolete "Cambridge 9.15"?
--
Roland Perry

In article , (Roland
Perry) wrote:

In message
,
at 12:58:49 on Tue, 10 Aug 2010, Mizter T
remarked:
Will that help me on the 09:20 from Cambridge to King's Cross when I
have an Off-Peak (not Day) Return? NXEA tell me it's not valid before
09:30 andtheir machines now refuse to sell one before 09:30 (a bit
tight for the 09:32) yet FCC's web site happily sells me that ticket
for use on the 09:20 (and the 08:54 if I wanted) with TOD at NXEA's
machines in Cambridge.

Barry recently confirmed here that it is a condition on the fare
since a year or two back but FCC clearly know nothing about it,
despite it being their fare and their condition.

Appears to be an issue with the Trainline and their misinterpretation
of the rules - the FCC booking engine is 'powered by' the Trainline.
Looking at East Coast's (WebTIS) booking engine, it seems to correctly
interpret the rule, showing the 09:32 as the first train it the OPR
can be used on.

5J - 9.30 except Bdeford and Peterborough when it's 9.15

Perhaps this is a case of a missing/obsolete "Cambridge 9.15"?

Except that according to the FCC web site the restriction is the
long-standing "no arrival in London before 10:00". So the 08:54 is OK too.

--
Colin Rosenstiel