On 03/10/2010 19:51, Steve Firth wrote:
wrote:

On about one third of the London buses I travel on, I sense the driver
shows very poor appreciation of either passenger comfort or of the
passenger's sense of safety. There is real aggression shown to other
motorists. 'My big vehicle can intimidate you in that small car'.

Well, there's been an element of that for a long time. Bus drivers will
pull out without bothering to check mirrors in most instances and will
use the size of their vehicle to intimidate others.

I've got into this argument on YouTube... People remind about the "two
second rule" before overtaking anything?

And you shouldn't overtake a bus.

And you shouldn't overtake in broken cross hatchings.

And Bus Drivers are entitled to do what they want, they're professional
drivers...

It's also apparently perfectly acceptable according to the general
population for a bus driver to overtake a parked car on the wrong side
of the road against opposing traffic, cos you're "supposed to give way
to buses" in all circumstances.

It really is just shockingly bad education. Coupled with a lack of
traffic police wanting to do anything about bad driving.

Stagecoach drivers seem to be hitting some new low. I've noticed over
the last six months that they regularly break speed limits by a
considerable margin. It's not at all rare to find double decker buses
exceeding 50mph in 30 limits. The service through the village where I
live is frequently seen driving at a steady 50 through a succession of
30 and 40 mph limits. It's also not unusual to see the same bus being
driven at stupidly high speeds on narrow country lanes the drivers never
slow to pass other vehicles and seem to have an attitude of "get out of
my way!"

On 9 Oct, 16:01, Simon Dean wrote:
On 03/10/2010 19:51, Steve Firth wrote:

*wrote:

On about one third of the London buses I travel on, I sense the driver
shows very poor appreciation of either passenger comfort or of the
passenger's sense of safety. *There is real aggression shown to other
motorists. *'My big vehicle can intimidate you in that small car'.

Well, there's been an element of that for a long time. Bus drivers will
pull out without bothering to check mirrors in most instances and will
use the size of their vehicle to intimidate others.

I've got into this argument on YouTube... People remind about the "two
second rule" before overtaking anything?

And you shouldn't overtake a bus.

And you shouldn't overtake in broken cross hatchings.

And Bus Drivers are entitled to do what they want, they're professional
drivers...

It's also apparently perfectly acceptable according to the general
population for a bus driver to overtake a parked car on the wrong side
of the road against opposing traffic, cos you're "supposed to give way
to buses" in all circumstances.

It really is just shockingly bad education. Coupled with a lack of
traffic police wanting to do anything about bad driving.



Stagecoach drivers seem to be hitting some new low. I've noticed over
the last six months that they regularly break speed limits by a
considerable margin. It's not at all rare to find double decker buses
exceeding 50mph in 30 limits. The service through the village where I
live is frequently seen driving at a steady 50 through a succession of
30 and 40 mph limits. It's also not unusual to see the same bus being
driven at stupidly high speeds on narrow country lanes the drivers never
slow to pass other vehicles and seem to have an attitude of "get out of
my way!"- Hide quoted text -

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On Friday I was in a bus driven by a female driver. She had a
collision with another vehicle which caught the back of the bus. She
simply drove on and about half a mile later, she eventually pulled
over near an inspector standing by a wall, and told him about the
accident, and he said, ok, took her staff number (i think), and told
her to drive on. If what I saw is normal practice, then it appears to
be an unwritten rule that a bus doesn't stop at an accident, unlike
other road users! Sure she would have blocked the road, but so what!

Turk182

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On 9 Oct, 16:01, Simon Dean wrote:
On 03/10/2010 19:51, Steve Firth wrote:

wrote:

On about one third of the London buses I travel on, I sense the driver
shows very poor appreciation of either passenger comfort or of the
passenger's sense of safety. There is real aggression shown to other
motorists. 'My big vehicle can intimidate you in that small car'.

Well, there's been an element of that for a long time. Bus drivers will
pull out without bothering to check mirrors in most instances and will
use the size of their vehicle to intimidate others.

I've got into this argument on YouTube... People remind about the "two
second rule" before overtaking anything?

And you shouldn't overtake a bus.

And you shouldn't overtake in broken cross hatchings.

And Bus Drivers are entitled to do what they want, they're professional
drivers...

It's also apparently perfectly acceptable according to the general
population for a bus driver to overtake a parked car on the wrong side
of the road against opposing traffic, cos you're "supposed to give way
to buses" in all circumstances.

It really is just shockingly bad education. Coupled with a lack of
traffic police wanting to do anything about bad driving.



Stagecoach drivers seem to be hitting some new low. I've noticed over
the last six months that they regularly break speed limits by a
considerable margin. It's not at all rare to find double decker buses
exceeding 50mph in 30 limits. The service through the village where I
live is frequently seen driving at a steady 50 through a succession of
30 and 40 mph limits. It's also not unusual to see the same bus being
driven at stupidly high speeds on narrow country lanes the drivers
never
slow to pass other vehicles and seem to have an attitude of "get out of
my way!"- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

On Friday I was in a bus driven by a female driver. She had a
collision with another vehicle which caught the back of the bus. She
simply drove on and about half a mile later, she eventually pulled
over near an inspector standing by a wall, and told him about the
accident, and he said, ok, took her staff number (i think), and told
her to drive on. If what I saw is normal practice, then it appears to
be an unwritten rule that a bus doesn't stop at an accident, unlike
other road users! Sure she would have blocked the road, but so what!

So, you would have complained about the delay as would all the drivers stuck
behind the obstruction.

On 9 Oct, 22:26, "Brimstone" wrote:
"Turk182" wrote in message

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On 9 Oct, 16:01, Simon Dean wrote:
On 03/10/2010 19:51, Steve Firth wrote:

*wrote:

On about one third of the London buses I travel on, I sense the driver
shows very poor appreciation of either passenger comfort or of the
passenger's sense of safety. *There is real aggression shown to other
motorists. *'My big vehicle can intimidate you in that small car'..

Well, there's been an element of that for a long time. Bus drivers will
pull out without bothering to check mirrors in most instances and will
use the size of their vehicle to intimidate others.

I've got into this argument on YouTube... People remind about the "two
second rule" before overtaking anything?

And you shouldn't overtake a bus.

And you shouldn't overtake in broken cross hatchings.

And Bus Drivers are entitled to do what they want, they're professional
drivers...

It's also apparently perfectly acceptable according to the general
population for a bus driver to overtake a parked car on the wrong side
of the road against opposing traffic, cos you're "supposed to give way
to buses" in all circumstances.

It really is just shockingly bad education. Coupled with a lack of
traffic police wanting to do anything about bad driving.

Stagecoach drivers seem to be hitting some new low. I've noticed over
the last six months that they regularly break speed limits by a
considerable margin. It's not at all rare to find double decker buses
exceeding 50mph in 30 limits. The service through the village where I
live is frequently seen driving at a steady 50 through a succession of
30 and 40 mph limits. It's also not unusual to see the same bus being
driven at stupidly high speeds on narrow country lanes the drivers
never
slow to pass other vehicles and seem to have an attitude of "get out of
my way!"- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

On Friday I was in a bus driven by a female driver. *She had a
collision with another vehicle which caught the back of the bus. *She
simply drove on and about half a mile later, she eventually pulled
over near an inspector standing by a wall, and told him about the
accident, and he said, ok, took her staff number (i think), and told
her to drive on. *If what I saw is normal practice, then it appears to
be an unwritten rule that a bus doesn't stop at an accident, unlike
other road users! *Sure she would have blocked the road, but so what!

So, you would have complained about the delay as would all the drivers stuck
behind the obstruction.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Oh that's interesting. But I would surely have felt miffed as I did
once at Hyde Park Corner many years ago, when a bus changed lane and
the back of it swung round and swiped my cars front wing doing £300
worth of damage and he/she drove off - all I could see ahead was a sea
of buses! I knew it was red though!

Turk182

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Here is the best example I can give you at the moment. The bus
driver, a female in this instance, was making her way along a bus lane
with stationary traffic to her right. I could see ahead that there
was a car partially blocking the lane. Instead of slowing down
appropriately, the driver went right up to the car quite quickly,
hooted several long hoots of the hooter, and then stamped her foot on
the brake, and then on and off repeatedly, so that we were all flung
back and forth violently. The car started to move partially out the
way, the bus moved forwards again .... and yes, then she stamped her
foot down on the brake heavily yet again.

Bring back the Routemasters and RT's in London, let's have the AEC Regents
and Guy Arab V's back on the road in Cardiff, etc. Those good old fashioned
buses were simply not *capable* of the heavy braking described.
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On Mon, 04 Oct 2010 21:32:29 +0100, Prai Jei
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Bring back the Routemasters and RTs in London, let's have the AEC
Regents and Guy Arab V's back on the road in Cardiff, etc. Those good
old fashioned buses were simply not *capable* of the heavy braking
described.

I think you'd be amazed how quickly an RT could (can) stop, for example
pitching a small child in the top front row head first off his seat...
into a bag full of soft things, luckily.

Acceleration is another matter. Gathering speed describes it better.

Colin McKenzie

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On Mon, 04 Oct 2010 21:32:29 +0100, Prai Jei
wrote:
Bring back the Routemasters and RTs in London, let's have the AEC
Regents and Guy Arab V's back on the road in Cardiff, etc. Those good
old fashioned buses were simply not *capable* of the heavy braking
described.

I think you'd be amazed how quickly an RT could (can) stop, for example
pitching a small child in the top front row head first off his seat...
into a bag full of soft things, luckily.

Acceleration is another matter. Gathering speed describes it better.

Colin McKenzie


Sounds like you speak from experience. Were you the small child in question?

Any RT's still on the loose in London? One AEC Regent survives in Cardiff,
in private hands, regularly dusted off for vintage transport rallies.
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