In misc.transport.urban-transit Boltar wrote:
Access Systems wrote in message ...
In misc.transport.urban-transit Boltar wrote:
Access Systems wrote in message ...
also a much higher percentage of the subway (tube) stations are
accessible..
Thats because they're not nearly so deep down and so its a lot easier to

only a small percentage are "deep" what's the problem with the rest

I think you missed the point.The majority of underground LU stations are
deep down bored tunnel. Installing a life means boring a shaft , not simply
cutting a hole in the roof as in NYC.

only a few lines are deep, the rest are fairly shallow, and NYC has their
share of deep tunnels, boring a shaft is not as hard as it sounds (finding
a place to bore it is much harder)

retro fit lifts. Though to be honest even assuming someone in a wheelchair
could get down to the platform , how they'd get on a tube train in the rush
hour beats me.

why should there be a problem...people in wheelchairs regularly ride NYC
and Tokyo subways at rush hour, what makes the tube any less possible.

Some types of tube trains are a lot smaller than subway trains, the platforms

right the deep ones, but wheelchairs are not that big

are narrower and the platforms are not level with the train floors in most

narrow platforms are quite common in other cities, and as a few cities
have done raising a short section of the platform to floor height is quite
simple and inexpensive

cases. Also on the trains there is nowhere for a wheelchair to go other than
block the doorways causing a safety hazard.

in other words the same place as everyone else.

this has always been the biggest obstacle to access, people who have never
been there (using a wheelchair) telling the users what they "can't" do
without ever bothering to find out what they "can do".

Anything can be done if you have a couple of billion to spare. LU doesn't.

I found a long time ago, that is someone wants to do something they will
find a way, and if they don't want to do it they will find an excuse..

everyone else uses, so start by making the busiest stations accessible.

See above.

see answer above

Bob

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