Tomorrow I am travelling from Hampshire to Rochester and will be
breaking my journey for several hours in London.

My ticket is a "via London" one and will allow me to travel on the
Tube from Waterloo to Kings Cross St Pancras should I decide to travel
on the new high speed line, from where I live I appear to be able to
use this route on a standard ticket and indeed I have done so in the
past.

However as I am breaking my journey my initial Tube journey will
probably be to Baker Street.

Will my ticket allow me to do this? I could probably go to Marylebone
instead if it would help to go to a station with a National Rail
connection. I obviously expect to have to use my PAYG Oyster for any
subsequent tube journeys - but can I at least get one out of it?

Tx.

"Phil C" wrote:

Tomorrow I am travelling from Hampshire to Rochester and will be
breaking my journey for several hours in London.

My ticket is a "via London" one and will allow me to travel on the
Tube from Waterloo to Kings Cross St Pancras should I decide to travel
on the new high speed line, from where I live I appear to be able to
use this route on a standard ticket and indeed I have done so in the
past.

However as I am breaking my journey my initial Tube journey will
probably be to Baker Street.

Will my ticket allow me to do this? I could probably go to Marylebone
instead if it would help to go to a station with a National Rail
connection. I obviously expect to have to use my PAYG Oyster for any
subsequent tube journeys - but can I at least get one out of it?

There have been some mixed musings about whether or not passengers with a
ticket that features cross-London transfer validity (marked with the Maltese
cross/dagger symbol) are allowed to exit at an intermediate Tube station -
the NR website clearly states that this is legit, however others have seemed
to suggest that doing so is not actually provided for under the rules / the
contract between ATOC and LU.

Anyhow all the above won't matter to you, as Baker Street is on the list of
Tube stations which can be used for cross-London transfers (presumably
simply as a result of being round the corner from Marylebone NR). Strictly
speaking, the cross-London Tube journey is supposed to make some sort of
sense with regards to the overall journey one is making, but in practice LU
appears perfectly happy to pass a ticket with cross-London transfer validity
for a journey between any two stations on the list (well, in central London
at least - I wouldn't think it at all sensible to try and use it for a
journey to Upminster, Richmond or some other far out station on the list if
the trek out to such a station had nothing to do with the overall rail
journey).

That magic list incidentally can be seen he
http://www.nationalrail.co.uk/times_...elling_connect

On Oct 22, 4:43*pm, "Mizter T" wrote:

Anyhow all the above won't matter to you, as Baker Street is on the list of
Tube stations which can be used for cross-London transfers (presumably
simply as a result of being round the corner from Marylebone NR). Strictly
speaking, the cross-London Tube journey is supposed to make some sort of
sense with regards to the overall journey one is making, but in practice LU
appears perfectly happy to pass a ticket with cross-London transfer validity
for a journey between any two stations on the list (well, in central London
at least

That magic list incidentally can be seen hehttp://www.nationalrail.co.uk/times_...crossing_londo...

Thanks, Mizter T. I did find that list shortly after I posted, but I
wondered how well they enforced the "appropriate to the route" bit. I
guessed I could certainly get off at Oxford Circus as that's my normal
route between Waterloo and KX. As it happens, Baker Street will be no
good whatsoever tomorrow as both the Jubilee and Circle lines are out
of action.

On Oct 22, 5:53 pm, Phil C wrote:

On Oct 22, 4:43 pm, "Mizter T" wrote:

Anyhow all the above won't matter to you, as Baker Street is on the list
of
Tube stations which can be used for cross-London transfers (presumably
simply as a result of being round the corner from Marylebone NR).
Strictly
speaking, the cross-London Tube journey is supposed to make some sort of
sense with regards to the overall journey one is making, but in practice
LU
appears perfectly happy to pass a ticket with cross-London transfer
validity
for a journey between any two stations on the list (well, in central
London
at least [...]
That magic list incidentally can be seen he
http://www.nationalrail.co.uk/times_...elling_connect

Thanks, Mizter T. I did find that list shortly after I posted, but I
wondered how well they enforced the "appropriate to the route" bit.

I kinda don't think it is enforced as such really, not in central London at
least - it'd be rather difficult to enforce anyway (unless cross-London
transfer tickets were encoded so that they could only be used between
certain stations dependent on the overall rail journey, but attempting to
implement such a thing would be so whole spectacularly complex that it just
wouldn't be worth it). Anyhow, whatever journey one makes, there's some sort
of agreement whereby 'National Rail' aka ATOC compensates LU for these
journeys.

I guessed I could certainly get off at Oxford Circus as that's my normal
route between Waterloo and KX.

You can of course get off a tube train and change to another line no
problem - the issue I was raising was whether one could get off early and
then exit the station (the NR website clearly says that's legit, whilst
others have questioned whether that advice is correct - but in a sense that
debate doesn't matter as in effect the very public statement on the NR
website trumps any rules in hidden rulebooks that there may be on this
matter!).

As it happens, Baker Street will be no
good whatsoever tomorrow as both the Jubilee and Circle lines are out
of action.

No problem - from Baker Street take the frequent 30 or 205 buses down
Marylebone Rd/ Euston Rd to St Pancras (or the 18 to Euston then a short
walk). Or if you want to do it by Tube, take the Bakerloo line to Oxford
Circus, then Victoria line to KXSP.

"Mizter T" wrote in message
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"Phil C" wrote:

Tomorrow I am travelling from Hampshire to Rochester and will be
breaking my journey for several hours in London.

My ticket is a "via London" one and will allow me to travel on the
Tube from Waterloo to Kings Cross St Pancras should I decide to travel
on the new high speed line, from where I live I appear to be able to
use this route on a standard ticket and indeed I have done so in the
past.

However as I am breaking my journey my initial Tube journey will
probably be to Baker Street.

Will my ticket allow me to do this? I could probably go to Marylebone
instead if it would help to go to a station with a National Rail
connection. I obviously expect to have to use my PAYG Oyster for any
subsequent tube journeys - but can I at least get one out of it?

There have been some mixed musings about whether or not passengers with a
ticket that features cross-London transfer validity (marked with the
Maltese cross/dagger symbol)

unless you buy it from an SWT machine when it will be printed with a tiny
"IL" instead. A symbol which (it has been said) LT staff don't recognise as
valid for cross London transfer if, for some reason, you can't make the
gates work

tim

On Oct 22, 7:20*pm, "tim...." wrote:

There have been some mixed musings about whether or not passengers with a
ticket that features cross-London transfer validity (marked with the
Maltese cross/dagger symbol)

unless you buy it from an SWT machine when it will be printed with a tiny
"IL" instead. *A symbol which (it has been said) LT staff don't recognise as
valid for cross London transfer if, for some reason, you can't make the
gates work

tim

Will it help if I buy it from the ticket office? I'm travelling
fairly early (for a Saturday) there shouldn't be much of a queue.

"Mizter T" wrote in message
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On Oct 22, 5:53 pm, Phil C wrote:

I guessed I could certainly get off at Oxford Circus as that's my normal
route between Waterloo and KX.

You can of course get off a tube train and change to another line no
problem - the issue I was raising was whether one could get off early and
then exit the station (the NR website clearly says that's legit, whilst
others have questioned whether that advice is correct - but in a sense
that debate doesn't matter as in effect the very public statement on the
NR website trumps any rules in hidden rulebooks that there may be on this
matter!).

The practical problem people have reported here and in uk.r is that at
places like Oxford circus the gates don't automatically let them out as they
aren't programmed to allow it, and the staff aren't up to speed either so
they then have an argument at the manual gate...

Paul S