d wrote:
On Wed, 10 Nov 2010 19:02:55 -0000
"Ret." wrote:
I find the delays caused by overzealous policing infuriating and I
note that you find anyone commenting guilty of ridiculous ranting,
Why?

Because neither you nor Boltar know what you are talking about.

Yeah, thats right Kev. We see roads closed for no good reason time
and again yet "we don't know what we're talking about".

The reason that you don't know what you are talking about is because you
simply do not know *why* the road was closed do you? You *think* you know -
and you *presume* to know - but you don't. So you are talking from a point
of ignorance.

I might not
be a car
mechanic but I know if a garage has my car in for 3 days to change
the oil then someone is taking the ****. Same goes for plods. I might
not be a policeman but if 4 lanes out of 5 are closed, there is no
debris and little damage to the vehicle in question then its plainly
obvious the jobsworth mentality is in full force with the traffic
plods that day.


See above. You cannot possibly *know* what is going on at an accident scene
from merely driving slowly past it.

--
Kev

On Thu, 11 Nov 2010 16:57:06 -0000
"Ret." wrote:
See above. You cannot possibly *know* what is going on at an accident scene
from merely driving slowly past it.

All right then - from your years of experience tell me why they'd close
almost the entire road for a simple collision with the street furniture.

B2003

On Thu, 11 Nov 2010 16:57:06 +0000, Ret. boggled us with:

d wrote:
On Wed, 10 Nov 2010 19:02:55 -0000
"Ret." wrote:
I find the delays caused by overzealous policing infuriating and I
note that you find anyone commenting guilty of ridiculous ranting,
Why?

Because neither you nor Boltar know what you are talking about.

Yeah, thats right Kev. We see roads closed for no good reason time and
again yet "we don't know what we're talking about".

The reason that you don't know what you are talking about is because you
simply do not know *why* the road was closed do you? You *think* you
know - and you *presume* to know - but you don't. So you are talking
from a point of ignorance.

I might not
be a car
mechanic but I know if a garage has my car in for 3 days to change the
oil then someone is taking the ****. Same goes for plods. I might not
be a policeman but if 4 lanes out of 5 are closed, there is no debris
and little damage to the vehicle in question then its plainly obvious
the jobsworth mentality is in full force with the traffic plods that
day.


See above. You cannot possibly *know* what is going on at an accident
scene from merely driving slowly past it.

Kev, could you please tell me what would be required, and how much space
it would need to drag a 7.5tonner, *safely* off a barrier it's mounted?
That without causing danger to other road users? It's a serious question,
and I presume it's a damn sight harder than Boltar presumes it is...



--
Mike P

On Wed, 10 Nov 2010 19:02:55 +0000, Ret. boggled us with:

NM wrote:
On Nov 10, 2:33 pm, "Ret." wrote:
wrote:
On Wed, 10 Nov 2010 13:37:35 -0000
"Ret." wrote:
And you qualifications for claiming this are?

25 years driving here and abroad.

I beat you by almost double. Not only have I been driving for almost
48 years - but I spent 30 of those years in the police, much of it
on traffic.

So what. 25 years is quite enough to know how the traffic police go
overboard with every minor incident.

I'm not responding to that ridiculous rant.

No answer then?

I repeat - I am not responding to that ridiculous rant.

--
Kev

I find the delays caused by overzealous policing infuriating and I note
that you find anyone commenting guilty of ridiculous ranting, Why?

Because neither you nor Boltar know what you are talking about.

It's OK Kev, Boltar proves that almost every time he posts..



--
Mike P

d wrote:
On Thu, 11 Nov 2010 16:57:06 -0000
"Ret." wrote:
See above. You cannot possibly *know* what is going on at an
accident scene from merely driving slowly past it.

All right then - from your years of experience tell me why they'd
close almost the entire road for a simple collision with the street
furniture.

I was not there and I was not dealing with it so I don't know - and neither
do you.

--
Kev

"Ret." gurgled happily, sounding much like they were
saying:

All right then - from your years of experience tell me why they'd close
almost the entire road for a simple collision with the street
furniture.

I was not there and I was not dealing with it so I don't know - and
neither do you.

I'm sure you can take an educated guess, though - what factors would you
have taken into account when you were coning off lanes, that could have
led to the situation described?

Mike P wrote:
On Thu, 11 Nov 2010 16:57:06 +0000, Ret. boggled us with:

d wrote:
On Wed, 10 Nov 2010 19:02:55 -0000
"Ret." wrote:
I find the delays caused by overzealous policing infuriating and I
note that you find anyone commenting guilty of ridiculous ranting,
Why?

Because neither you nor Boltar know what you are talking about.

Yeah, thats right Kev. We see roads closed for no good reason time
and again yet "we don't know what we're talking about".

The reason that you don't know what you are talking about is because
you simply do not know *why* the road was closed do you? You
*think* you know - and you *presume* to know - but you don't. So you
are talking from a point of ignorance.

I might not
be a car
mechanic but I know if a garage has my car in for 3 days to change
the oil then someone is taking the ****. Same goes for plods. I
might not be a policeman but if 4 lanes out of 5 are closed, there
is no debris and little damage to the vehicle in question then its
plainly obvious the jobsworth mentality is in full force with the
traffic plods that day.


See above. You cannot possibly *know* what is going on at an accident
scene from merely driving slowly past it.

Kev, could you please tell me what would be required, and how much
space it would need to drag a 7.5tonner, *safely* off a barrier it's
mounted? That without causing danger to other road users? It's a
serious question, and I presume it's a damn sight harder than Boltar
presumes it is...

Most police forces have now contracted out vehicle recovery to specific
companies. At one time there would be several 'rota garages' for vehicle
recovery - but not many had the equipment for recovering HGVs and it could
often take longer to get the heavy recovery vehicles to the scene.

For all Boltar knew there may have been a pedestrian trying to run across
the motorway who caused the crash - and his body may still have been under
the vehicle.

It really annoys me when people spout off like this without knowing the
facts.

It *is* the prime duty of traffic officers, after securing the scene, and
ensuring safety for other road users, to get the road clear and get traffic
moving normally again as soon as possible. To suggest that traffic oficers
just close roads for no good reason is utter nonsense.

--
Kev

Adrian wrote:
"Ret." gurgled happily, sounding much like they were
saying:

All right then - from your years of experience tell me why they'd
close almost the entire road for a simple collision with the street
furniture.

I was not there and I was not dealing with it so I don't know - and
neither do you.

I'm sure you can take an educated guess, though - what factors would
you have taken into account when you were coning off lanes, that
could have led to the situation described?

A situation described by someone who clearly has an axe to grind? I don't
know how the truck was positioned, I don't know what it was carrying, I
don't know whether an allegation was made that the accident was caused by
another driver, I don't know if anyone was injured - or how seriously, etc.
etc. - and neither does Boltar...

--
Kev

On Thu, 11 Nov 2010 17:29:41 -0000
"Ret." wrote:
wrote:
On Thu, 11 Nov 2010 16:57:06 -0000
"Ret." wrote:
See above. You cannot possibly *know* what is going on at an
accident scene from merely driving slowly past it.

All right then - from your years of experience tell me why they'd
close almost the entire road for a simple collision with the street
furniture.

I was not there and I was not dealing with it so I don't know - and neither
do you.

So much for your years of experience then if you can't even come up with
a few guesses.

B2003

On Thu, 11 Nov 2010 17:34:16 -0000
"Ret." wrote:
For all Boltar knew there may have been a pedestrian trying to run across
the motorway who caused the crash - and his body may still have been under
the vehicle.

No Kev, there was no body under the vehicle. I was 20 foot from it when I
drove past and its front was up on the barrier so there was a clear view
underneath.

It really annoys me when people spout off like this without knowing the
facts.

The facts were a 7.5 tonner stuck on some street furniture. End of.
So again - explain to me why they needed to close 4 lanes out of 5 for
something like this.

It *is* the prime duty of traffic officers, after securing the scene, and
ensuring safety for other road users, to get the road clear and get traffic
moving normally again as soon as possible. To suggest that traffic oficers
just close roads for no good reason is utter nonsense.

Oh please. Just how naive do you think we are? Next you'll be telling us
that police always do their level best to track down muggers and burglars.

B2003