NR have announced their initial ideas about moving the concourse
catering/retail outlets at Waterloo up to first floor level, with escalator
connections etc, freeing up space for passenger circulation.

Not a million miles from the mezzanine 'catering floor' being provided at
the new KX western ticket hall really. Details he

http://www.networkrailmediacentre.co...egoryID-8.aspx

Paul S

In message , Paul Scott
writes

NR have announced their initial ideas about moving the concourse
catering/retail outlets at Waterloo up to first floor level, with
escalator connections etc, freeing up space for passenger circulation.

Thanks for the link. It does seem extraordinary, though, that over a
million pounds a year is being spent in maintaining the unused Eurostar
platforms and terminal at Waterloo. I should have thought that bringing
them back into use would have been more of a priority.
--
Paul Terry

In message , at 15:19:12 on
Mon, 15 Nov 2010, Paul Scott remarked:

NR have announced their initial ideas about moving the concourse

mid-concourse

catering/retail outlets at Waterloo up to first floor level, with
escalator connections etc, freeing up space for passenger circulation.

Those retail outlets should never have been allowed to clutter up the
concourse in the first place!

ps What happened to the lower level Eurostar mini-concourses, next to
the check-in and around the side where you emerged off a train? Are they
being used for extra retailing.
--
Roland Perry

In message , at 16:28:38 on Mon, 15
Nov 2010, Paul Terry remarked:
NR have announced their initial ideas about moving the concourse
catering/retail outlets at Waterloo up to first floor level, with
escalator connections etc, freeing up space for passenger circulation.

Thanks for the link. It does seem extraordinary, though, that over a
million pounds a year is being spent in maintaining the unused Eurostar
platforms and terminal at Waterloo. I should have thought that bringing
them back into use would have been more of a priority.

It's been reported that the bottleneck at Waterloo isn't platform
capacity, but tracks outside the station.
--
Roland Perry

"Roland Perry" wrote in message
...
In message , at 15:19:12 on Mon,
15 Nov 2010, Paul Scott remarked:

NR have announced their initial ideas about moving the concourse

mid-concourse

Yes, perhaps a better description.

catering/retail outlets at Waterloo up to first floor level, with
escalator connections etc, freeing up space for passenger circulation.

Those retail outlets should never have been allowed to clutter up the
concourse in the first place!

ps What happened to the lower level Eurostar mini-concourses, next to the
check-in and around the side where you emerged off a train? Are they being
used for extra retailing.

There are other applications to use the lower parts for retail purposes but
those lower areas are BRB residuary's responsibility, rather than Network
Rail.

This has led to previous media articles suggesting that whole international
'station' would be turned over to retail, which TTBOMK has never been a
possibility...

Paul S

On Mon, 15 Nov 2010 15:19:12 +0000, Paul Scott wrote
NR have announced their initial ideas about moving the concourse
catering/retail outlets at Waterloo up to first floor level, with escalator
connections etc, freeing up space for passenger circulation.

Not a million miles from the mezzanine 'catering floor' being provided at
the new KX western ticket hall really. Details he


http://www.networkrailmediacentre.co...TERLOO-RETAIL-
BALCONY
-OFFERS-MORE-ROOM-WITH-A-VIEW-15e5/SearchCategoryID-8.aspx

Sounds a bit like the two-storey glass enclosed food court on the Lawn at
Paddington

On 15/11/10 15:19, Paul Scott wrote:

NR have announced their initial ideas about moving the concourse
catering/retail outlets at Waterloo up to first floor level, with
escalator connections etc, freeing up space for passenger circulation.

Ultimately this will be financed out of the pockets of travelling
passengers or taxpayers (or both), for I suspect little actual benefit
apart from the introduction of new bottlenecks between the concourse and
the mezzanine, a longer journey through the station if you want to shop,
and less revenue for some of the outlets due to loss of passing trade
and impulse purchases, so prices will go up or outlets will cease
trading and fares will go up to cover the drop in revenue from letting
the outlets.

In my opinion this is not the time to be undertaking this sort of
capital project.

Rgds

Denis McMahon

In message , at 17:30:04 on
Mon, 15 Nov 2010, Paul Scott remarked:
There are other applications to use the lower parts for retail purposes
but those lower areas are BRB residuary's responsibility, rather than
Network Rail.

This has led to previous media articles suggesting that whole
international 'station' would be turned over to retail, which TTBOMK
has never been a possibility...

If you demolished the check-in gates and security area (I expect they've
been robbed of all their equipment by now) you'd have quite a big area,
and extending into the original departure lounge if you wanted to.
What's going on "upstairs wouldn't be relevant.
--
Roland Perry

On Nov 15, 9:39*am, Stimpy wrote:
On Mon, 15 Nov 2010 15:19:12 +0000, Paul Scott wrote NR have announced their initial ideas about moving the concourse
catering/retail outlets at Waterloo up to first floor level, with escalator
connections etc, freeing up space for passenger circulation.

Not a million miles from the mezzanine 'catering floor' being provided at
the new KX western ticket hall really. *Details he

http://www.networkrailmediacentre.co...TERLOO-RETAIL-
BALCONY

-OFFERS-MORE-ROOM-WITH-A-VIEW-15e5/SearchCategoryID-8.aspx

Sounds a bit like the two-storey glass enclosed food court on the Lawn at
Paddington

IMHO, retail and other passenger facilites should be moved below the
concourse. That would allow two platform lines to become a thru route
to the South Eastern

It seems that this is another example of Network Rail wanting to turn
a prime site into a shopping centre, but just about tolerating
passengers (as being the prime source of customers for the shops).
What's really needed is small booths selling coffee etc. at platform
level for those of us compelled to use the trains - at a position
convenient to the trains. Who, in a rush to get their cattletruck
home, is going to go up escalators into a "shopping experience" in
search of a cup of tea?

Interesting to note that the one ground-floor level shop remaining in
the artist's impression is some sort of fashion emporium. That says it
all really! I've just to GOT to get my latest Gucci handbag en route
to platform 19 for the 18.20 to Staines!

Marc.