says Valerie Shawcross

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-11792421

I think!

MaxB

On Nov 19, 11:02*am, MaxB wrote:
says Valerie Shawcross

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-11792421

I think!

MaxB

Does anybody really think wheelchair users are ever going to be able
to use the tube? Val Shawcross and the like just can't grasp the fact
that many disabled people don't want to use public transport, it just
isn't a viable option for them and it never will be.

George gurgled happily, sounding much
like they were saying:

Does anybody really think wheelchair users are ever going to be able to
use the tube? Val Shawcross and the like just can't grasp the fact that
many disabled people don't want to use public transport, it just isn't
a viable option for them and it never will be.

Well, quite. Why would spazzes, flids & other crips want to try and lead
normal lives, anyway? Why can't they just be happy sitting at home
drooling in front of daytime TV...?

On Nov 19, 11:11*am, Adrian wrote:
George gurgled happily, sounding much
like they were saying:

Does anybody really think wheelchair users are ever going to be able to
use the tube? Val Shawcross and the like just can't grasp the fact that
many disabled people don't want to use public transport, it just isn't
a viable option for them and it never will be.

Well, quite. Why would spazzes, flids & other crips want to try and lead
normal lives, anyway? Why can't they just be happy sitting at home
drooling in front of daytime TV...?

What like you obviously do?

Wouldn't a taxi that took them from door to door be of far more use?
Shame it doesn't fit in with some people's politically correct ideals
eh?

On 19 Nov 2010 11:11:59 GMT
Adrian wrote:
George gurgled happily, sounding much
like they were saying:

Does anybody really think wheelchair users are ever going to be able to
use the tube? Val Shawcross and the like just can't grasp the fact that
many disabled people don't want to use public transport, it just isn't
a viable option for them and it never will be.

Well, quite. Why would spazzes, flids & other crips want to try and lead
normal lives, anyway? Why can't they just be happy sitting at home
drooling in front of daytime TV...?

Obviously you've never heard of Dial-a-ride then.

B2003

On Fri, 19 Nov 2010 03:22:00 -0800 (PST)
George wrote:
Wouldn't a taxi that took them from door to door be of far more use?
Shame it doesn't fit in with some people's politically correct ideals
eh?

Don't forget that in politically correct world their is no such thing as
a limit on the amount that should be spent accommodating minorities to make
metropolitan liberals feel smug and self justified.

Even if wheelchair users have door to door service thats not good enough.
Far better to spend a few hundred million quid on upgrading the entire
tube system so a few hundred extra people in wheelchairs can suffer the
misery of it too.

B2003

d gurgled happily, sounding much like they were
saying:

Does anybody really think wheelchair users are ever going to be able
to use the tube? Val Shawcross and the like just can't grasp the fact
that many disabled people don't want to use public transport, it just
isn't a viable option for them and it never will be.

Well, quite. Why would spazzes, flids & other crips want to try and lead
normal lives, anyway? Why can't they just be happy sitting at home
drooling in front of daytime TV...?

Obviously you've never heard of Dial-a-ride then.

I've not only heard of it, I've got a far better idea of the reality of
it, having wasted far too much of my life trying to organise it to take
the M-i-L places.

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On Fri, 19 Nov 2010 03:22:00 -0800 (PST)
George wrote:
Wouldn't a taxi that took them from door to door be of far more use?
Shame it doesn't fit in with some people's politically correct ideals
eh?

Don't forget that in politically correct world their is no such thing as
a limit on the amount that should be spent accommodating minorities to
make
metropolitan liberals feel smug and self justified.

Even if wheelchair users have door to door service thats not good enough.
Far better to spend a few hundred million quid on upgrading the entire
tube system so a few hundred extra people in wheelchairs can suffer the
misery of it too.

The problem is:

if you spend 10 million pounds a year on special taxi fares for disabled
people, when a period of austerity comes along that money is easy to cut.

But if you've spent 200 million on infrastructure changes that are costing
you 10 million a year in finance costs you've no choice but to continue
paying it

tim

On Fri, 19 Nov 2010 11:40:49 -0000
"tim...." wrote:
The problem is:

if you spend 10 million pounds a year on special taxi fares for disabled
people, when a period of austerity comes along that money is easy to cut.

But if you've spent 200 million on infrastructure changes that are costing
you 10 million a year in finance costs you've no choice but to continue
paying it

Well money aside there are also more practical considerations. Deep level
tube trains are not large and in the rush hour even suitcases cause problems.
Wheelchair users would have no chance even in the new trains with the
pointless wheelchair section (if theres nowhere for people to move out of the
way to to let a wheelchair go there they won't move, end of) since commuters
are not going to get off to allow someone in a wheelchair to take their
place. They'd either have to get on somewhere near the end of the line, not
use it during busy periods or forget it and get a taxi.

B2003

I think they could have done much more with the money spent if they
targeted the spening in a more sensible way. For example they are
currently making Green Park accesible at a huge cost.

They could have got a lot more stations done if they spent it on the
Subsurface stations on the circle line. A scheme to link the main
line termini is surely long overdue. And why dont they do such
stations as Covent Garden which already has lifts so only need a small
lift for stairs down to the platforms.