"tim." wrote in message



I thought the issue was the reduction in the premium for working that
day (probably caused by the anomaly that it isn't technically a
"holiday")


Different strikes, different unions. The Aslef guy pretty much said on
TV that their demand was an inflated starting point, and they expected
TfL to compromise in the middle. Instead, TfL has just dismissed the
claim, so Aslef members stand to get no pay at all on the day. Serves
them right!

Still no updates for Boxing Day and the same 'mid December' message as of five minutes ago.

"mistral" wrote:

Paul wrote:
I have just tried to look up journey on Boxing Day, and it says that
information will be available "..mid December..'.

Still no updates for Boxing Day and the same 'mid December' message as
of five minutes ago.


You going to keep trying it every five minutes?!

On Dec 15, 3:56*pm, "Mizter T" wrote:
"mistral" wrote:

Paul wrote:
I have just tried to look up journey on Boxing Day, and it says that
information will be available "..mid December..'.

Still no updates for Boxing Day and the same 'mid December' message as
of five minutes ago.

You going to keep trying it every five minutes?!

It is now 16th December, and Tfl still haven't uploaded information
for Christmas, let alone New Year. Other more organised transport
operators seem to have no problem with updating their websites in good
time, but it seems keeping their customers informed is too much for
TfL.

"Paul" wrote:

On Dec 15, 3:56 pm, "Mizter T" wrote:

"mistral" wrote:

Paul wrote:
I have just tried to look up journey on Boxing Day, and it says that
information will be available "..mid December..'.

Still no updates for Boxing Day and the same 'mid December' message as
of five minutes ago.

You going to keep trying it every five minutes?!

It is now 16th December, and Tfl still haven't uploaded information
for Christmas, let alone New Year. Other more organised transport
operators seem to have no problem with updating their websites in good
time, but it seems keeping their customers informed is too much for
TfL.

The Xmas and New Year travel guide leaflet provides an outline as to what
services will be running - if you want to see a graphical illustration as to
which bits of the Tube will be closed then look at the "Future dates"
facility on the service update page he
http://www.tfl.gov.uk/tfl/livetravelnews/realtime/tube/default.html

Genuine question - what would you have done in this situation *before* the
online Journey Planner was around?

(FWIW, in those simpler days, the "Journey Planner" moniker was actually
given to the Tube map.)

On Dec 16, 11:15*am, "Mizter T" wrote:
"Paul" wrote:
On Dec 15, 3:56 pm, "Mizter T" wrote:

"mistral" wrote:

Paul wrote:
I have just tried to look up journey on Boxing Day, and it says that
information will be available "..mid December..'.

Still no updates for Boxing Day and the same 'mid December' message as
of five minutes ago.

You going to keep trying it every five minutes?!

It is now 16th December, and Tfl still haven't uploaded information
for Christmas, let alone New Year. Other more organised transport
operators seem to have no problem with updating their websites in good
time, but it seems keeping their customers informed is too much for
TfL.

The Xmas and New Year travel guide leaflet provides an outline as to what
services will be running - if you want to see a graphical illustration as to
which bits of the Tube will be closed then look at the "Future dates"
facility on the service update page he
http://www.tfl.gov.uk/tfl/livetravelnews/realtime/tube/default.html

Genuine question - what would you have done in this situation *before* the
online Journey Planner was around?

(FWIW, in those simpler days, the "Journey Planner" moniker was actually
given to the Tube map.)- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

The information has now been uploaded.

I suppose that in the Stone Age before the internet was invented you
would just have to use the leaflet or phone 01 222 1234, or just turn
up at the bus stop/tube station and hope for the best. I can remember
back in the '70s there was even a service on Christmas Day.

"Paul" wrote:

On Dec 16, 11:15 am, "Mizter T" wrote:

"Paul" wrote:
It is now 16th December, and Tfl still haven't uploaded information
for Christmas, let alone New Year. Other more organised transport
operators seem to have no problem with updating their websites in good
time, but it seems keeping their customers informed is too much for
TfL.

The Xmas and New Year travel guide leaflet provides an outline as to
what
services will be running - if you want to see a graphical illustration
as to
which bits of the Tube will be closed then look at the "Future dates"
facility on the service update page he
http://www.tfl.gov.uk/tfl/livetravelnews/realtime/tube/default.html

Genuine question - what would you have done in this situation *before*
the
online Journey Planner was around?

The information has now been uploaded.

I suppose that in the Stone Age before the internet was invented you
would just have to use the leaflet or phone 01 222 1234, or just turn
up at the bus stop/tube station and hope for the best. [...]

But that's what I would have done now anyway - the info in the leaflet is
pretty comprehensive. Well, I wouldn't have called 222 1234 - you can't
anymore, but I wouldn't have called the new number either - I would however
have checked on the Tube 'service update' page to see what Tube lines were
and were not running, and then I'd have gone to the bus stop or Tube station
knowing that a service was running.

(OK, with less frequent bus services it's helpful to know the timetable -
though one can find outline bus timetables on the journey planner - and also
a timetable can be helpful for the extremities of the Tube. And for services
in the morning, the leaflet's "from about 0830" pointer as to when services
will start is admittedly somewhat vague.)


[...] I can remember
back in the '70s there was even a service on Christmas Day.

There was certainly one or two special central London services run on a
commercial basis by a bus company (London General IIRC?) in recent years,
but nothing of the sort ran last year and nor will it this year.

On Dec 16, 12:54*pm, "Mizter T" wrote:
"Paul" wrote:
On Dec 16, 11:15 am, "Mizter T" wrote:

"Paul" wrote:
It is now 16th December, and Tfl still haven't uploaded information
for Christmas, let alone New Year. Other more organised transport
operators seem to have no problem with updating their websites in good
time, but it seems keeping their customers informed is too much for
TfL.

The Xmas and New Year travel guide leaflet provides an outline as to
what
services will be running - if you want to see a graphical illustration
as to
which bits of the Tube will be closed then look at the "Future dates"
facility on the service update page he
http://www.tfl.gov.uk/tfl/livetravelnews/realtime/tube/default.html

Genuine question - what would you have done in this situation *before*
the
online Journey Planner was around?

The information has now been uploaded.

I suppose that in the Stone Age before the internet was invented you
would just have to use the leaflet or phone 01 222 1234, or just turn
up at the bus stop/tube station and hope for the best. [...]

But that's what I would have done now anyway - the info in the leaflet is
pretty comprehensive. Well, I wouldn't have called 222 1234 - you can't
anymore, but I wouldn't have called the new number either - I would however
have checked on the Tube 'service update' page to see what Tube lines were
and were not running, and then I'd have gone to the bus stop or Tube station
knowing that a service was running.

(OK, with less frequent bus services it's helpful to know the timetable -
though one can find outline bus timetables on the journey planner - and also
a timetable can be helpful for the extremities of the Tube. And for services
in the morning, the leaflet's "from about 0830" pointer as to when services
will start is admittedly somewhat vague.)



[...] I can remember
back in the '70s there was even a service on Christmas Day.

There was certainly one or two special central London services run on a
commercial basis by a bus company (London General IIRC?) in recent years,
but nothing of the sort ran last year and nor will it this year.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

The internet has changed how we do things in so many areas of life. Of
course the printed leaflet gives a good general idea of what services
are running, but sometimes you do need detailed information.

Up until 2001, there were a number of special services running on
Christmas Day, run commercially by a number of bus companies. I
remember getting service 729 from Wood Green to Central London, and
service 755 from Central London to Morden. I do feel that there is
scope for running a skeleton service on the buses on Christmas Day.
Perhaps if a continuous service was run on all the night routes and 24
routes from late evening of Christmas Eve to the early hours of Boxing
Day.

I know this is not likely to happen in London, but it does in other UK
cities. Edinburgh, for example, runs a skeleton service on key routes
from about 11am to 10pm on Christmas Day, and presumably would not do
so if there was no demand.