On Sun, 04 Jan 2004 03:21:58 +0000, G Crozier
wrote:

On Sat, 03 Jan 2004 23:53:40 +0000,
wrote:
I take it you want it somewhere other than in your own back yard. ;-)
That's where you are wrong in my case I would love one in my own back
yard has you put it in fact to live a stones throw from HRW would
please me no end .
Let's just wait for a plane or two to demolish Slough
One did fall out of the sky a few years ago now over Slough if I am
not mistaken the captain didn't close the flaps or something after
taking off I think this is the one.
27/10/1965 London, UK VC-9 BEA Crew tiredness .
Lancs and Cheshire have many, many
farmers who'd like nothing more than to sell a few hundred acres and
retire without worries.
You think so did you not here about the big stink they all made when
the second runway was proposed at Manchester ? .
Personally, I'd bung in a fiver for demolition of 'The Swamp'
(Trafford Park, Salford and *outside* Manchester) to make way for a
new airport!
What's the point of building in the Manchester area the people in
North Lancashire and Cumbria would be no better provisioned regarding
access .
A much better place WOULD be right in my " back yard" the BAC
establisment at Salmlesbury nr Preston about 5 miles away from me
and if I am not mistaken I think a 747 has been down on there once
soon after they went into service .
Grant .
PS the Captain's name of the BEA flight was Captain Stanley Key that I
am certain of .
Grant .

On Sat, 3 Jan 2004 18:06:30 +0000, Andrew P Smith
wrote:

In article , Paul Corfield
writes

http://www.carouselbuses.com/

Woa!!!!

When did this start?? July 2003??? Nothing in the local press about it
when they launched. Follows a good route too.

Only a fiver to the airport! A good alternative to the car if you are
travelling during office hours.

No good for evening flights, but a start. And a good one at that.

Hopefully you'll give it a go and give Carousel some support. It seems
like quite a risk to take - new Mercedes Buses etc - but I wish them
well.
--
Paul C


Admits to working for London Underground!

G Crozier wrote:
On Sat, 03 Jan 2004 23:53:40 +0000,
wrote:
Let's just wait for a plane or two to demolish Slough
One did fall out of the sky a few years ago now over Slough
if I am not mistaken

You are mistaken. It was over Staines.

the captain didn't close the flaps or something after
taking off I think this is the one.

The captain, or perhaps another member of the crew, prematurely closed the
leading-edge droops.

27/10/1965 London, UK

18 June 1972

VC-9 BEA

Trident

Crew tiredness .

The captain had a heart attack.

[from later post}
PS the Captain's name of the BEA flight was Captain
Stanley Key that I am certain of.

You got that bit right!

--
Richard J.
(to e-mail me, swap uk and yon in address)

"Aidan Stanger" wrote in message
...
G Crozier wrote:
wrote:
Personally, I'd like to see the re-introduction of Wisley airfield,
which while very handy for the M3/M25, would also increase the Nimby
factor.
To hell with more airports in the southeast we only have one decent
airport here in the northwest and that's Manchester and the time is
long overdue for us to have another the same size or larger .

Why? Do any other airports in the NW operate anywhere near their
capacity?

Leeds/Bradford took a lot of market share from Manchester when some lower
fares were introduced in 2000 on some European routes. I have no personal
experience but a colleague from Warrington found it cheaper and quicker to
use than Manchester at peak times.

"Andrew P Smith" wrote in message
...
In article , G Crozier
writes
and you do NOT have
to go to HRW by car now do you .

OK, let's see what possible route I have by public transport.

1. Bus into the centre of High Wycombe (every 30 mins at peak periods,
one an hour after 7pm, none after 10pm.

2. Walk from bus station to train station carrying luggage.

3. Train into London.

4. Tube or taxi from Marylebone across London to Paddington for the Hex
or a suitable tube station for the Picc.

Alternative 1.

Bus and walk as before.

3. Train to South Ruislip (or similar) then bus to Hayes then another
bus to the airport.

Alternative 2.

Bus from bus station in Wycombe to Bourne End, Bus from Bourne End to
Slough, then bus to the airport.

Alternative 3 (if it still runs).

Bus from Wycombe bus station to Slough, then bus to the airport.

Other combinations of bus/train available.

What we need is for Heathrow to be connected to the Reading and Waterloo
train lines. Then a number of huge, security patrolled park and rides at
dedicated train stations with fast journeys into the airport running
every 15 mins during the day and every 25 mins at night.

I would use it every time.

Is it going to happen? Unfortunately not.

I wish it would.
--
Andrew
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this
communication can not be guaranteed.
Views expressed in this communication are those of the author and not
associations or companies I am involved with.

Yes it is, Hayes will be the interchange from the West. Heathrow train from
there from December 2004. In addition coaches already run from Reading every
15 mins or so. If cost is important (which to me it is) I would never park
at Heathrow, even the off airport parking is undercut by the public
transport costs.

On Sun, 4 Jan 2004 01:25:18 +0000, (Steve Firth)
wrote:
That's not needed. What is needed is for the government to recognise
that a lot of the traffic through Heathrow/Gatwick is travellers who
have travelled from the North to use the airport because the southern
airports are the international gateways.
No Steve has you have mentioned if I want to go to say LA most of the
cheaper flights go via Schiphol or Charles de ball .
Distributing air traffic around the country would help with the "crowded
skies" problem.
We do need another international airport up here preferably somewhere
in the Kendal area or even turn Carlisle into one at the moment its
either Prestwick Manchester or London's airports for long haul flights
with nothing in between .
In the present climate I don't think I shall be flying anywhere for
many months to come especially after yesterdays debacle with flight
223 .
Grant .

On Sun, 04 Jan 2004 10:17:21 GMT, "Richard J."
wrote:
You are mistaken. It was over Staines.
I do beg your parden you are right it was a long time ago though.
The captain, or perhaps another member of the crew, prematurely closed the
leading-edge droops.
I know it was something of that nature ) .
Crew tiredness .
The captain had a heart attack.
Well the report stated Crew tiredness but I did think it was some
health problem and he had mentioned before boarding the plane that he
did not feel well but put it down to indigestion or something.
[from later post}
PS the Captain's name of the BEA flight was Captain
Stanley Key that I am certain of.
You got that bit right!
God only knows how or why I have hung on to that name all these
years !!.
Grant .

In article , Jon Porter
writes

Yes it is, Hayes will be the interchange from the West. Heathrow train from
there from December 2004. In addition coaches already run from Reading every
15 mins or so. If cost is important (which to me it is) I would never park
at Heathrow, even the off airport parking is undercut by the public
transport costs.

I know about coaches from Reading, they have been running for years just
like the coach link from Feltham. Have they built a new station at
Heathrow then or will the trains use the Hex platforms??
--
Andrew
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"Steve Firth" wrote in message
.. .

Although I live in the south, I refuse to use either Thiefrow or
Pratwick. I get a flight from my local airport to Schiphol and start
from there. For long-haul flights several carriers will include the
connecting flight in the ticket cost - often at no extra cost to me.

And I believe that parking at Southampton is reasonably priced as well.

I've had a few decent deals travelling via Schipol or CDG which were a lot
cheaper than a direct flight.
--
Terry Harper
http://www.terry.harper.btinternet.co.uk/

On Sun, 4 Jan 2004 15:42:33 +0000 (UTC), "Jon Porter"
wrote:


"Aidan Stanger" wrote in message
...
G Crozier wrote:
wrote:
Personally, I'd like to see the re-introduction of Wisley airfield,
which while very handy for the M3/M25, would also increase the Nimby
factor.
To hell with more airports in the southeast we only have one decent
airport here in the northwest and that's Manchester and the time is
long overdue for us to have another the same size or larger .

Why? Do any other airports in the NW operate anywhere near their
capacity?

Leeds/Bradford took a lot of market share from Manchester when some lower
fares were introduced in 2000 on some European routes. I have no personal
experience but a colleague from Warrington found it cheaper and quicker to
use than Manchester at peak times.

Is a hell of a long drive over to Leeds from Warrington I can be on
Manchester airport in an hour from here and its only half an hour from
Warrington . L&B from here would take me a good two hours at least and
not much different from Warrington and no motorway or rail access
right to the door as is the case with Manchester .
I can be in the center of Amsterdam within three hours of leaving home
via Manchester would probably be longer now with all the palavour that
is going on at airports these days I couldn't be going via L&B though.
Grant .