On Jan 3, 3:13*pm, Tom Anderson wrote:
On Sat, 1 Jan 2011, MIG wrote:
On Jan 1, 7:58�pm, Martin Petrov
wrote:
On Sat, 01 Jan 2011 16:58:53 +0000, boltar2003 wrote:
The victoria line in general heads southwest - northeast. Particularly
the line before walthamstow is definately heading east. So what
dribbling ****wit decided that the line map in the 2009 stock would be
the other way around with walthamstow on the left, brixton on the right?

Not really that big a deal though, is it?

It's certainly a lot easier to fix than those tiny windows, cramped
interior due to thick walls and rock hard seats angled so that you can't
sit in them.

Oh, you can sit in them. If you can't, try harder, or consult someone who
has more experience at sitting down. No, they aren't comfortable (they
*really* aren't comfortable), but how long are you planning on spending on
a Victoria line train in one go anyway?

If you want to moan about the 2009 stock, the reliability so far would be
my suggestion of where to start!

tom

--
Formal logical proofs, and therefore programs - formal logical proofs
that particular computations are possible, expressed in a formal system
called a programming language - are utterly meaningless. To write a
computer program you have to come to terms with this, to accept that
whatever you might want the program to mean, the machine will blindly
follow its meaningless rules and come to some meaningless conclusion. --
Dehnadi and Bornat

Regarding moans about the Victoria Line, it would be nice if they
could fix the platform indicators so that they actually correspond
with the destination of the train. I have lost count of the number of
times I have stood on the platform at Kings Cross with the platform
indicator showing Seven Sisters, and yet when the train arrives it
shows Walthamstow Central. It also happens the other way round. For
information, the destination on the front of the train is more
reliable than what is shown on the platform indicators. Isn't
technology wonderful?

On Wed, 5 Jan 2011 00:27:18 -0800 (PST)
Paul wrote:
shows Walthamstow Central. It also happens the other way round. For
information, the destination on the front of the train is more
reliable than what is shown on the platform indicators. Isn't
technology wonderful?

The platform indicators don't work properly on any line AFAIK. On the
piccadilly they're only of any use for a rough guide as to when the
next train will show, the destination could be random numbers for all
the use it is.

B2003

d wrote on 05 January 2011 09:40:20 ...
On Wed, 5 Jan 2011 00:27:18 -0800 (PST)
wrote:
shows Walthamstow Central. It also happens the other way round. For
information, the destination on the front of the train is more
reliable than what is shown on the platform indicators. Isn't
technology wonderful?

The platform indicators don't work properly on any line AFAIK. On the
piccadilly they're only of any use for a rough guide as to when the
next train will show, the destination could be random numbers for all
the use it is.

A bit like the chances of one of your posts being a true account of what
really happens.
--
Richard J.
(to email me, swap 'uk' and 'yon' in address)

On Wed, 05 Jan 2011 11:09:48 +0000
"Richard J." wrote:
The platform indicators don't work properly on any line AFAIK. On the
piccadilly they're only of any use for a rough guide as to when the
next train will show, the destination could be random numbers for all
the use it is.

A bit like the chances of one of your posts being a true account of what
really happens.

Don't travel on the tube much do you.

B2003

d wrote on 05 January 2011 11:17:41 ...
On Wed, 05 Jan 2011 11:09:48 +0000
"Richard wrote:
The platform indicators don't work properly on any line AFAIK. On the
piccadilly they're only of any use for a rough guide as to when the
next train will show, the destination could be random numbers for all
the use it is.

A bit like the chances of one of your posts being a true account of what
really happens.

Don't travel on the tube much do you.

That statement rather proves my point.
--
Richard J.
(to email me, swap 'uk' and 'yon' in address)

On Wed, 05 Jan 2011 15:54:57 +0000
"Richard J." wrote:
Don't travel on the tube much do you.

That statement rather proves my point.

I didn't notice that you had a point other than just to fire off lame putdowns.

The indicators on many lines are hopelessly unreliable at getting the
destination right. Certainly the northern and piccadilly systems are very poor.
Or are you going to say otherwise just to be contrary?

B2003

The indicators on many lines are hopelessly unreliable at getting the
destination right. Certainly the northern and piccadilly systems are very poor.
Or are you going to say otherwise just to be contrary?

B2003

Worst platform indicators I remember were during the lengthy Central
line upgrade of the late 90s, where every bit of information had "The
above information may be incorrect" written beneath it. One day, at
Epping, it just said "Westbound Central Line - the above information
may be incorrect" which was pretty uninformative.

Rob

d wrote on 05 January 2011 16:08:37 ...
On Wed, 05 Jan 2011 15:54:57 +0000
"Richard wrote:
d wrote on 05 January 2011 11:17:41 ...
On Wed, 05 Jan 2011 11:09:48 +0000
"Richard J." wrote:
d wrote on 05 January 2011 09:40:20 ...

The platform indicators don't work properly on any line AFAIK. On the
piccadilly they're only of any use for a rough guide as to when the
next train will show, the destination could be random numbers for all
the use it is.

A bit like the chances of one of your posts being a true account of
what really happens.

Don't travel on the tube much do you.

That statement rather proves my point.

I didn't notice that you had a point other than just to fire off lame putdowns.

It helps if you don't delete the context (now restored above). The
point I was making, since it seems I have to spell it out for you, is
that much of what you say here is an exaggerated view of LU's failings.
Yes, sometimes the indicators don't reflect the actual destination,
but generally in my experience (which includes the Piccadilly) the
indicators do show the correct destination. Your statement (there was no
question mark) about my use of the tube just showed that you weren't
really concerned with the truth.

The indicators on many lines are hopelessly unreliable at getting the
destination right. Certainly the northern and piccadilly systems are very poor.
Or are you going to say otherwise just to be contrary?

You may be right about the Northern. In my experience on the District,
Piccadilly, Bakerloo, and Central, the indicators generally correspond
with the on-train information, other than the Richmond branch of the
District line where the Network Rail system doesn't seem to interface
properly with the LU one. To say that "the destination could be random
numbers for all the use it is" is typical of your cavalier approach to a
balanced view of what actually happens.
--
Richard J.
(to email me, swap 'uk' and 'yon' in address)

On Jan 5, 10:00*pm, "Richard J." wrote:
wrote on 05 January 2011 16:08:37 ...

On Wed, 05 Jan 2011 15:54:57 +0000
"Richard *wrote:
wrote on 05 January 2011 11:17:41 ...
On Wed, 05 Jan 2011 11:09:48 +0000
"Richard J." wrote:
wrote on 05 January 2011 09:40:20 ...
The platform indicators don't work properly on any line AFAIK. On the
piccadilly they're only of any use for a rough guide as to when the
next train will show, the destination could be random numbers for all
the use it is.
A bit like the chances of one of your posts being a true account of
what really happens.
Don't travel on the tube much do you.
That statement rather proves my point.
I didn't notice that you had a point other than just to fire off lame putdowns.

It helps if you don't delete the context (now restored above). *The
point I was making, since it seems I have to spell it out for you, is
that much of what you say here is an exaggerated view of LU's failings.
* Yes, sometimes the indicators don't reflect the actual destination,
but generally in my experience (which includes the Piccadilly) the
indicators do show the correct destination. Your statement (there was no
question mark) about my use of the tube just showed that you weren't
really concerned with the truth.

The indicators on many lines are hopelessly unreliable at getting the
destination right. Certainly the northern and piccadilly systems are very poor.
Or are you going to say otherwise just to be contrary?

You may be right about the Northern. *In my experience on the District,
Piccadilly, Bakerloo, and Central, the indicators generally correspond
with the on-train information, other than the Richmond branch of the
District line where the Network Rail system doesn't seem to interface
properly with the LU one. *To say that "the destination could be random
numbers for all the use it is" is typical of your cavalier approach to a
balanced view of what actually happens.

But if the display was wrong, say, 10% of the time (not saying it is),
it would actually be 100% useless, wouldn't it?

The most reliable (and readable) displays I can remember were the
boards in the cab windows on the Central line when they couldn't use
the electronics for some reason that I can't remember now.

On Wed, 05 Jan 2011 22:00:39 +0000
"Richard J." wrote:
It helps if you don't delete the context (now restored above). The
point I was making, since it seems I have to spell it out for you, is
that much of what you say here is an exaggerated view of LU's failings.

No it isn't, sorry. Their failings are very real. Ask anyone who was stuck
on tuesday when despite the fare rises the tube had 3 major failures.

Yes, sometimes the indicators don't reflect the actual destination,
but generally in my experience (which includes the Piccadilly) the
indicators do show the correct destination. Your statement (there was no
question mark) about my use of the tube just showed that you weren't
really concerned with the truth.

On the piccadilly my experience is the indicators are wrong about 50% of
the time going westbound. Which is essentially useless. Not that it personally
makes any difference to me since I never travel as far as acton anyway.

Piccadilly, Bakerloo, and Central, the indicators generally correspond
with the on-train information, other than the Richmond branch of the

The central line tends to be ok , the bakerloo only has one destination
going south so it would require a special kind of ****up to get that wrong.

B2003