In message
MIG
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On Jan 11, 8:12*am, Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at
23:38:36 on Mon, 10 Jan 2011, Arthur Figgis
remarked:

The reason for graduate unemployment in engineering is that employers
insist on people having several years' previous employment experience
in one narrow speciality, these are the same employers who whinge
about a 'shortage' of engineering graduates. The situation is similair
in computing.

Are there still job adverts demanding things like five years of
experience with ACME-Software 2010?

Probably. I remember adverts for people with 5 years experience
programming microprocessors, when the things hadn't been for sale
that long.

I think it doesn't so much happen any more, not because recruiters
have got any less stupid, but on the grounds of age discrimination.

Age discrimination prevents one from requiring experience in a field?
That's news to me (although looking at your email address maybe that's
something specific to UK or EU)

In message , at 00:34:24 on
Tue, 11 Jan 2011, DevilsPGD
remarked:

Age discrimination prevents one from requiring experience in a field?

No, it potentially prevents some advertisements from asking for it.

eg "Ten years post-gradudate experience in $foo" will discriminate
against most people under 31/32 years old.

That's news to me (although looking at your email address maybe that's
something specific to UK or EU)

Looking at the headers, two out of three newsgroups are .uk
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Roland Perry

In message Roland Perry
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In message , at 00:34:24 on
Tue, 11 Jan 2011, DevilsPGD
remarked:

Age discrimination prevents one from requiring experience in a field?

No, it potentially prevents some advertisements from asking for it.

eg "Ten years post-gradudate experience in $foo" will discriminate
against most people under 31/32 years old.

But again, since when is requiring an applicant to be qualified
considered discrimination?

If you're hiring a bike messenger you're going to discriminate against
the blind. If you're hiring a bus driver you're going to discriminate
against those prone to seizures. If you're hiring a model for
children's clothing you're going to discriminate against adults. If
you're hiring a welder you're discriminating against those who don't
know how to weld.

Look, I get that actual discrimination is a problem, but at some point
you have to draw the line, otherwise Hooters is going to have to hire
me, and believe me when I tell you that *nobody* wants to see that!

In message , at 17:12:46 on
Tue, 11 Jan 2011, DevilsPGD
remarked:
In message Roland Perry
was claimed to have wrote:

In message , at 00:34:24 on
Tue, 11 Jan 2011, DevilsPGD
remarked:

Age discrimination prevents one from requiring experience in a field?

No, it potentially prevents some advertisements from asking for it.

eg "Ten years post-gradudate experience in $foo" will discriminate
against most people under 31/32 years old.

But again, since when is requiring an applicant to be qualified
considered discrimination?

No-one has said that. The discrimination here is the implication that
only people aged 31/32 or older will be considered.

--
Roland Perry

In message Roland Perry
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In message , at 17:12:46 on
Tue, 11 Jan 2011, DevilsPGD
remarked:
In message Roland Perry
was claimed to have wrote:

In message , at 00:34:24 on
Tue, 11 Jan 2011, DevilsPGD
remarked:

Age discrimination prevents one from requiring experience in a field?

No, it potentially prevents some advertisements from asking for it.

eg "Ten years post-gradudate experience in $foo" will discriminate
against most people under 31/32 years old.

But again, since when is requiring an applicant to be qualified
considered discrimination?

No-one has said that. The discrimination here is the implication that
only people aged 31/32 or older will be considered.

No, the implication is that only those who are qualified will be
considered.

If a 22 year old shows up who has experience they'll be considered. If
a 32 year old shows up without experience, they won't.

DevilsPGD wrote:

In message Roland Perry
was claimed to have wrote:

In message , at 17:12:46 on
Tue, 11 Jan 2011, DevilsPGD
remarked:
In message Roland Perry
was claimed to have wrote:

In message , at 00:34:24 on
Tue, 11 Jan 2011, DevilsPGD
remarked:

Age discrimination prevents one from requiring experience in a field?

No, it potentially prevents some advertisements from asking for it.

eg "Ten years post-gradudate experience in $foo" will discriminate
against most people under 31/32 years old.

But again, since when is requiring an applicant to be qualified
considered discrimination?

No-one has said that. The discrimination here is the implication that
only people aged 31/32 or older will be considered.

No, the implication is that only those who are qualified will be
considered.

If a 22 year old shows up who has experience they'll be considered. If
a 32 year old shows up without experience, they won't.

If I were you, I would bail out of this one now, otherwise you're just
inviting Roland to go on inventing increasingly unlikely and irrelevant
"what-if" scenarios which, by the second iteration, have lost all
contact with the original point.
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In message , at 10:58:06 on
Wed, 12 Jan 2011, Chris Tolley remarked:
If I were you, I would bail out of this one now, otherwise you're just
inviting Roland to go on inventing increasingly unlikely and irrelevant
"what-if" scenarios which, by the second iteration, have lost all
contact with the original point.

If I were you, Chris, I'd stop the ad hominem attacks, especially when
you are on such flimsy ground as here.
--
Roland Perry

In message , at 02:42:06 on
Wed, 12 Jan 2011, DevilsPGD
remarked:
Age discrimination prevents one from requiring experience in a field?

No, it potentially prevents some advertisements from asking for it.

eg "Ten years post-gradudate experience in $foo" will discriminate
against most people under 31/32 years old.

But again, since when is requiring an applicant to be qualified
considered discrimination?

No-one has said that. The discrimination here is the implication that
only people aged 31/32 or older will be considered.

No, the implication is that only those who are qualified will be
considered.

If a 22 year old shows up who has experience they'll be considered.

Given that the experience I used in my example was "ten years post
graduate", how many 12 year olds do you know with a degree, and who
started employment straight away?

That's why the "10 years" stipulation is age discrimination in disguise.

If a 32 year old shows up without experience, they won't.

Irrelevant.
--
Roland Perry

On 11 Jan 2011 19:12, DevilsPGD wrote:
Look, I get that actual discrimination is a problem, but at some point
you have to draw the line, otherwise Hooters is going to have to hire
me, and believe me when I tell you that *nobody* wants to see that!

IIRC, there a discrimination suit against Hooters, which resulted in
them hiring several male waiters in DC.

S

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