Tried it out yesterday, went on 6 buses, only one came out at 70p (no 77 bus
from Lambeth Bridge to Waterloo), rest at 1p. So.. any other buses that
charge higher than 1p so I can avoid them? Hehe..

Regards,

Fossil

"Fossil" wrote in message ...
Tried it out yesterday, went on 6 buses, only one came out at 70p (no 77 bus
from Lambeth Bridge to Waterloo), rest at 1p. So.. any other buses that
charge higher than 1p so I can avoid them? Hehe..

Regards,

Fossil

Hmmm, but if tfL decide to chase up this fare evasion you'll be
screwed. It's all on their computer.........!

"dan" wrote in message
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Hmmm, but if tfL decide to chase up this fare evasion you'll be
screwed. It's all on their computer.........!

What fare evasion? He had a loaded Oyster card and used it correctly when
joining the bus and the Oyster machine accepted his card. That the machine
is taking the wrong amount isn't the fault of the user.

Dave.

On Wed, 17 Dec 2003 11:25:40 -0000, "Dave Liney"
wrote:


"dan" wrote in message
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Hmmm, but if tfL decide to chase up this fare evasion you'll be
screwed. It's all on their computer.........!

What fare evasion? He had a loaded Oyster card and used it correctly when
joining the bus and the Oyster machine accepted his card. That the machine
is taking the wrong amount isn't the fault of the user.

But TFL have not made Oyster Pre Pay available for use on its buses
yet, hence it is not available as an acceptable medium for paying your
fare. That it charges you 1p is irrelevant, you are not using a valid
and recognised form of ticket and are therefore evading paying your
correct fare.

Five hail Marys and a donation in the poor box please...

--
Rob

But TFL have not made Oyster Pre Pay available for use on its buses
yet, hence it is not available as an acceptable medium for paying your
fare. That it charges you 1p is irrelevant, you are not using a valid
and recognised form of ticket and are therefore evading paying your
correct fare.

So TfL are stealing 1ps from Customers now?
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"Rob" ar_jay_jay_cox_at_nildram_dot_co_dot_uk wrote in message
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On Wed, 17 Dec 2003 11:25:40 -0000, "Dave Liney"
wrote:

What fare evasion? He had a loaded Oyster card and used it correctly when
joining the bus and the Oyster machine accepted his card. That the
machine
is taking the wrong amount isn't the fault of the user.

But TFL have not made Oyster Pre Pay available for use on its buses
yet, hence it is not available as an acceptable medium for paying your
fare. That it charges you 1p is irrelevant, you are not using a valid
and recognised form of ticket and are therefore evading paying your
correct fare.

Then why does the Oyster machine accept his card? It should reject it as not
containing a valid ticket. That the card was accepted and a deduction made
suggests to a user that a valid ticket was purchased.

One of the advantages of Oyster is that you don't have to know what fare you
require. The system deducts the correct amount automatically so how is a
member of the public to know that he hasn't paid the proper fare.
Differential pricing coming in for Oyster cards compared to cash fares will
make the evaluating that more difficult.

Dave

On Thu, 18 Dec 2003 15:40:36 -0000, "Dave Liney"
wrote:



Then why does the Oyster machine accept his card? It should reject it as not
containing a valid ticket. That the card was accepted and a deduction made
suggests to a user that a valid ticket was purchased.

One of the advantages of Oyster is that you don't have to know what fare you
require. The system deducts the correct amount automatically so how is a
member of the public to know that he hasn't paid the proper fare.
Differential pricing coming in for Oyster cards compared to cash fares will
make the evaluating that more difficult.

Dave


I appreciate the distinction you are making. I agree that Oyster Pre
Pay is being rather sloppily introduced. It *is* a problem that the
cards are being accepted when they are not valid (and that an
incorrect deduction is being made is even more of a problem). This is
a something TfL and Transys should address as responsible vendors.

I do not believe it is honest, however, to knowingly underpay one's
fare.

That said, in the case of bus use there is at least a mitigation in
saying that the farepayer wouldn't have a reasonable chance of finding
out they had underpaid until they next went to top-up the card and saw
the remaining balance.

--
Rob