"Paul Terry" wrote:

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On Mon, 31 Jan 2011 13:48:56 +0000, Paul Terry
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It depends on the size of the gondolas (as they seem to be called). The
Montjuic cable car that crosses the harbour in Barcelona has only two
(large) reciprocating gondolas and is claimed to have a capacity of 8000
passengers per hour.

Having been on it can you really see that figure being correct?

No, you are quite right. I've confused the Montjuic funicular (8000
passengers per hour) with the nearby Aeri del Port that crosses the
harbour.

But as you say, it is likely that the Teleferic de Montjuic is a high
capacity cable car system, as there is a direct transfer between the
funicular and its lower station. It is also similar to the system proposed
for London. Picture he

http://www.barcelonatourist.org/plac...ic-de-montjuic

It's a good ride, but the enclosed gondolas are nowhere near as exciting
as the open ones they used until quite recently.

Open gondolas - that's exactly what the Thames cable car needs! Add in the
Red Bull stunt planes weaving in between it all and voila, one hell of an
attraction.

(I'm serious about the open gondolas though!)

"Mizter T" wrote:

Open gondolas - that's exactly what the Thames cable car needs! Add in the
Red Bull stunt planes weaving in between it all and voila, one hell of an
attraction.

(I'm serious about the open gondolas though!)


"Thames Cable Car - sponsored by Civitas."


I'll get my shroud ...

"Bruce" wrote in message

"Mizter T" wrote:

Open gondolas - that's exactly what the Thames cable car needs! Add
in the Red Bull stunt planes weaving in between it all and voila,
one hell of an attraction.

(I'm serious about the open gondolas though!)


"Thames Cable Car - sponsored by Civitas."

Did you mean Dignitas, rather than the Institute for the Study of Civil
Society?

On Jan 31, 1:48*pm, Paul Terry wrote:
In message , Ian Jelf
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In message , Recliner
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The cable car will connect Greenwich and the Royal Docks, carrying up
to 2,500 passengers-an-hour.

Is that a realistic figure? * It seems very high to me but I don't have
first hand knowledge of such

* things.

It depends on the size of the gondolas (as they seem to be called). The
Montjuic cable car that crosses the harbour in Barcelona has only two
(large) reciprocating gondolas and is claimed to have a capacity of 8000
passengers per hour.

The Thames proposal ...

http://www.guardian.co.uk/environmen...elandtransport....
andhttp://forum.skyscraperpage.com/showthread.php?p=5044185

seems more like the Singapore system, with multiple small gondolas
following a circular route:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Sentosa-cableway.jpg

Singapore can manage 1400 per hour, but it is a rather longer journey
than the Thames proposal and it includes a midway station, which London
won't have.

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Paul Terry

There was a fatal accident on the Singapore system, see

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Singapo...e_Car_disaster

It just seems rather a short time to get the system up and running
before the Olympics, and you presumably have to make sure that there
was a safety case etc. just as with the railways.

"Paul" wrote in message


There was a fatal accident on the Singapore system, see

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Singapo...e_Car_disaster

It just seems rather a short time to get the system up and running
before the Olympics, and you presumably have to make sure that there
was a safety case etc. just as with the railways.

I did wonder about the proximity to the LCY flight path...

"Recliner" wrote:
"Bruce" wrote in message

"Mizter T" wrote:

Open gondolas - that's exactly what the Thames cable car needs! Add
in the Red Bull stunt planes weaving in between it all and voila,
one hell of an attraction.

(I'm serious about the open gondolas though!)


"Thames Cable Car - sponsored by Civitas."

Did you mean Dignitas, rather than the Institute for the Study of Civil
Society?


Oh dear, no wonder I'm still around! ;-)

A cable car or cable railway is a mass transit system using rail cars that are hauled by a continuously moving cable running at a constant speed. Individual cars stop and start by releasing and gripping this cable as required. Cable cars are distinct from funiculars, where the cars are permanently attached to the cable, and cable railways, which are similar to funiculars, but where the rail vehicles are attached and detached manually.

On Feb 4, 10:28*am, jemmydoug
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A cable car or cable railway is a mass transit system using rail cars
that are hauled by a continuously moving cable running at a constant
speed. Individual cars stop and start by releasing and gripping this
cable as required. Cable cars are distinct from funiculars, where the
cars are permanently attached to the cable, and cable railways, which
are similar to funiculars, but where the rail vehicles are attached and
detached manually.

Though this cable car, should it actually get built, will be an
attraction as opposed to being a mass transit system.

"Recliner" wrote in message

"Paul" wrote in message


There was a fatal accident on the Singapore system, see

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Singapo...e_Car_disaster

It just seems rather a short time to get the system up and running
before the Olympics, and you presumably have to make sure that there
was a safety case etc. just as with the railways.

I did wonder about the proximity to the LCY flight path...

.... and it seems I was right:
"A planned cable car across the River Thames may be unsafe because it
goes too close to London City Airport, Friends of the Earth has warned.

The charity wrote to London Mayor Boris Johnson concerned that the cars
would travel through the "public safety zone" around the airport.

....

Friends of the Earth said it strongly supported the project and if new
transport methods were needed, the scheme "was exactly the sort of
initiative TfL should be considering".

The scheme's docking stations were not in the airport's safety zone, it
said, but a TfL transport assessment "clearly shows the cable car
passing through the passenger safety zone".

The organisation called for Mr Johnson to commission a "proper analysis
of the safety issues"."

More in www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-12363423

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Friends of the Earth said it strongly supported the project and if new
transport methods were needed, the scheme "was exactly the sort of
initiative TfL should be considering".

The scheme's docking stations were not in the airport's safety zone, it
said, but a TfL transport assessment "clearly shows the cable car
passing through the passenger safety zone".

It passes over the last few square metres of the proposed enlarged zone,
not the current passenger safety zone. Planes are usually at around 2000
feet at this point, because of the steep flight paths required at LCY. I
believe the cable car will be at about 200 feet, so there's good
clearance.

I don't really know what the risks are, but airport PSZs are defined by
the CAA as areas "to control the number of people *on the ground* at
risk in the unlikely event of an aircraft accident on take-off or
landing".

In the case of a plane landing short (or overshooting) at London City,
it's more likely to plunge into the Royal Victoria Dock than hit
anything overhead. If there were to be problems at a higher level, the
high rise buildings around Canary Wharf would be the most serious
problem.
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Paul Terry