In article , (Roland
Perry) wrote:

In message , at 13:01:21 on Sun, 13
Feb 2011, Martin Petrov remarked:

On a slightly different note is there any way that this gateline can
plausibly cope with a crush loaded East Coast train arriving or is
this just a plot to make train travel as unpleasant as possible.

Plenty of other stations are like that - a morning peak Shenfield train
coming into Liverpool St takes quite a while to get through the
barriers. I would doubt this would put Network Rail off at Kings Cross
either.

And somewhat closer to home, a packed 8-car FCC arriving at Kings
Cross Suburban.

How about a packed 12-car FCC arriving at Kings Cross main shed?

--
Colin Rosenstiel

In article , (Roland
Perry) wrote:

In message , at
07:07:29 on Sun, 13 Feb 2011, remarked:

However, the three eastern-most gates in the line of gates along
the buffers are marked "in" on the plans; although in practice I
suspect the in/out-ness of the gates will be subject to short and
long term change.

That is better than I was told by people running the various
exhibitions I have seen but still requires a screen showing departure
information in that area. So why remove the one that was there?

Maybe another will replace it, eventually.

[Was this a small screen, or do you mean the main multi-scrolling
screen(s)]

Not that small. Like the side screens on the main concourse. Still hard to
explain why they took it out now.

They are also refusing point blank to replace the screen in the tube
subway and are proud to make every passenger walk through to the Northern
ticket hall to find out whether they need the suburban or main sheds. Evil
*******s.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

In message , at 15:25:35
on Sun, 13 Feb 2011, remarked:

They are also refusing point blank to replace the screen in the tube
subway and are proud to make every passenger walk through to the Northern
ticket hall to find out whether they need the suburban or main sheds. Evil
*******s.

The plan, as I said yesterday, is to make everyone "emerge" from the
Northern ticket hall into the spaceship above, and disperse to their
trains from there. Everything else is ether an exit flow or a disparaged
short cut.
--
Roland Perry

In message , at 15:25:35
on Sun, 13 Feb 2011, remarked:

On a slightly different note is there any way that this gateline can
plausibly cope with a crush loaded East Coast train arriving or is
this just a plot to make train travel as unpleasant as possible.

Plenty of other stations are like that - a morning peak Shenfield train
coming into Liverpool St takes quite a while to get through the
barriers. I would doubt this would put Network Rail off at Kings Cross
either.

And somewhat closer to home, a packed 8-car FCC arriving at Kings
Cross Suburban.

How about a packed 12-car FCC arriving at Kings Cross main shed?

I wasn't aware that these were currently arriving at barriered
platforms, but if you say they are, then that would be another way to
predict how much chaos would ensue when an Intercity arrives at a
barriered platform.
--
Roland Perry

"Roland Perry" wrote:

In message , at 15:25:35 on
Sun, 13 Feb 2011, remarked:

On a slightly different note is there any way that this gateline can
plausibly cope with a crush loaded East Coast train arriving or is
this just a plot to make train travel as unpleasant as possible.

Plenty of other stations are like that - a morning peak Shenfield train
coming into Liverpool St takes quite a while to get through the
barriers. I would doubt this would put Network Rail off at Kings Cross
either.

And somewhat closer to home, a packed 8-car FCC arriving at Kings
Cross Suburban.

How about a packed 12-car FCC arriving at Kings Cross main shed?

I wasn't aware that these were currently arriving at barriered platforms,
but if you say they are, then that would be another way to predict how
much chaos would ensue when an Intercity arrives at a barriered platform.


Other London termini stations have gates and 12 car trains too - thus far
sky hasn't fallen in.

wrote:
[snip]
They are also refusing point blank to replace the screen in the tube
subway and are proud to make every passenger walk through to the Northern
ticket hall to find out whether they need the suburban or main sheds. Evil
*******s.


Was this a screen in the passageway between the (old) main ticket hall and
the northern ticket hall? If so I guess it's always possible that it was
causing congestion.

"Mizter T" wrote:
[snip]
Plenty of other stations are like that - a morning peak Shenfield
train
coming into Liverpool St takes quite a while to get through the
barriers. I would doubt this would put Network Rail off at Kings Cross
either.

And somewhat closer to home, a packed 8-car FCC arriving at Kings
Cross Suburban.

How about a packed 12-car FCC arriving at Kings Cross main shed?

I wasn't aware that these were currently arriving at barriered platforms,
but if you say they are, then that would be another way to predict how
much chaos would ensue when an Intercity arrives at a barriered platform.

Other London termini stations have gates and 12 car trains too - thus far
sky hasn't fallen in.

....which is much the same point that Martin Petrov was making upthread.

In message , at 11:35:23 on
Mon, 14 Feb 2011, Mizter T remarked:
They are also refusing point blank to replace the screen in the tube
subway and are proud to make every passenger walk through to the Northern
ticket hall to find out whether they need the suburban or main sheds. Evil
*******s.

Was this a screen in the passageway between the (old) main ticket hall
and the northern ticket hall? If so I guess it's always possible that
it was causing congestion.

Colin could be referring to the one in the *old* passageway (at the
junction where you went left then outside for the suburban platforms,
and right for the main concourse), rather than a more recent one that's
been installed and taken away again.
--
Roland Perry

In message , at 11:38:04 on
Mon, 14 Feb 2011, Mizter T remarked:

Other London termini stations have gates and 12 car trains too - thus
far sky hasn't fallen in.

...which is much the same point that Martin Petrov was making upthread.

I think we almost all share this view. Although when Roy said "cope
with", I wonder if he meant "without a queue developing".
--
Roland Perry

In article , (Roland
Perry) wrote:

In message , at
15:25:35 on Sun, 13 Feb 2011, remarked:

On a slightly different note is there any way that this gateline
can plausibly cope with a crush loaded East Coast train arriving
or is this just a plot to make train travel as unpleasant as
possible.

Plenty of other stations are like that - a morning peak Shenfield
train coming into Liverpool St takes quite a while to get through
the barriers. I would doubt this would put Network Rail off at
Kings Cross either.

And somewhat closer to home, a packed 8-car FCC arriving at Kings
Cross Suburban.

How about a packed 12-car FCC arriving at Kings Cross main shed?

I wasn't aware that these were currently arriving at barriered
platforms, but if you say they are, then that would be another way
to predict how much chaos would ensue when an Intercity arrives at
a barriered platform.

Only more so! Where do the current 12-car services arrive in the mornings?
If at any of platforms 0-3 (4 & 5 are out of action) then it will be
happening now at least occasionally.

When I arrive on the 09:20 at platform 11 as often as not they leave the
gates open. The staff opened the gates in front of me this morning. They
weren't close enough to check the ticket I was holding in my hand.

--
Colin Rosenstiel