In message , at 18:12:09
on Sat, 12 Feb 2011, remarked:
On a slightly different note is there any way that this gateline can
plausibly cope with a crush loaded East Coast train arriving or is
this just a plot to make train travel as unpleasant as possible.

As far as I can see the new Kings Cross layout has been designed by
control freaks. That's what I told the people exhibiting it the other day
anyway.

Making people arriving at the York Way entrance wanting to catch a train
walk all the way across the front of the station (and back if they want
platforms 0 or 1) is an outrage, especially as they won't know their
platform until they've walked past platform 8. Already the departures
screen that used to face that entrance has been removed.

The "new" Kings Cross has been designed around people arriving at the
station in the vicinity of the under-construction 'UFO upstairs' above
the Northern Ticket Hall, and then using the bridge to get to the
platforms, or a west-facing gate line a little west of platform 8 (under
the original west wall).

However, the three eastern-most gates in the line of gates along the
buffers are marked "in" on the plans; although in practice I suspect the
in/out-ness of the gates will be subject to short and long term change.
--
Roland Perry

In article , (Roland
Perry) wrote:

In message , at
18:12:09 on Sat, 12 Feb 2011, remarked:
On a slightly different note is there any way that this gateline can
plausibly cope with a crush loaded East Coast train arriving or is
this just a plot to make train travel as unpleasant as possible.

As far as I can see the new Kings Cross layout has been designed by
control freaks. That's what I told the people exhibiting it the other
day anyway.

Making people arriving at the York Way entrance wanting to catch a
train walk all the way across the front of the station (and back if
they want platforms 0 or 1) is an outrage, especially as they won't
know their platform until they've walked past platform 8. Already the
departures screen that used to face that entrance has been removed.

The "new" Kings Cross has been designed around people arriving at
the station in the vicinity of the under-construction 'UFO
upstairs' above the Northern Ticket Hall, and then using the bridge
to get to the platforms, or a west-facing gate line a little west
of platform 8 (under the original west wall).

However, the three eastern-most gates in the line of gates along
the buffers are marked "in" on the plans; although in practice I
suspect the in/out-ness of the gates will be subject to short and
long term change.

That is better than I was told by people running the various exhibitions I
have seen but still requires a screen showing departure information in
that area. So why remove the one that was there?

--
Colin Rosenstiel

In message , at 07:07:29
on Sun, 13 Feb 2011, remarked:

However, the three eastern-most gates in the line of gates along
the buffers are marked "in" on the plans; although in practice I
suspect the in/out-ness of the gates will be subject to short and
long term change.

That is better than I was told by people running the various exhibitions I
have seen but still requires a screen showing departure information in
that area. So why remove the one that was there?

Maybe another will replace it, eventually.

[Was this a small screen, or do you mean the main multi-scrolling
screen(s)]
--
Roland Perry

In article , (Roland
Perry) wrote:

In message , at
07:07:29 on Sun, 13 Feb 2011, remarked:

However, the three eastern-most gates in the line of gates along
the buffers are marked "in" on the plans; although in practice I
suspect the in/out-ness of the gates will be subject to short and
long term change.

That is better than I was told by people running the various
exhibitions I have seen but still requires a screen showing departure
information in that area. So why remove the one that was there?

Maybe another will replace it, eventually.

[Was this a small screen, or do you mean the main multi-scrolling
screen(s)]

Not that small. Like the side screens on the main concourse. Still hard to
explain why they took it out now.

They are also refusing point blank to replace the screen in the tube
subway and are proud to make every passenger walk through to the Northern
ticket hall to find out whether they need the suburban or main sheds. Evil
*******s.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

In message , at 15:25:35
on Sun, 13 Feb 2011, remarked:

They are also refusing point blank to replace the screen in the tube
subway and are proud to make every passenger walk through to the Northern
ticket hall to find out whether they need the suburban or main sheds. Evil
*******s.

The plan, as I said yesterday, is to make everyone "emerge" from the
Northern ticket hall into the spaceship above, and disperse to their
trains from there. Everything else is ether an exit flow or a disparaged
short cut.
--
Roland Perry

In article , (Roland
Perry) wrote:

In message , at
15:25:35 on Sun, 13 Feb 2011, remarked:

They are also refusing point blank to replace the screen in the tube
subway and are proud to make every passenger walk through to the
Northern ticket hall to find out whether they need the suburban or
main sheds. Evil *******s.

The plan, as I said yesterday, is to make everyone "emerge" from
the Northern ticket hall into the spaceship above, and disperse to
their trains from there. Everything else is ether an exit flow or a
disparaged short cut.

Like I said, control freakery Tony Blair would have been proud of.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

wrote:
[snip]
They are also refusing point blank to replace the screen in the tube
subway and are proud to make every passenger walk through to the Northern
ticket hall to find out whether they need the suburban or main sheds. Evil
*******s.


Was this a screen in the passageway between the (old) main ticket hall and
the northern ticket hall? If so I guess it's always possible that it was
causing congestion.

In message , at 11:35:23 on
Mon, 14 Feb 2011, Mizter T remarked:
They are also refusing point blank to replace the screen in the tube
subway and are proud to make every passenger walk through to the Northern
ticket hall to find out whether they need the suburban or main sheds. Evil
*******s.

Was this a screen in the passageway between the (old) main ticket hall
and the northern ticket hall? If so I guess it's always possible that
it was causing congestion.

Colin could be referring to the one in the *old* passageway (at the
junction where you went left then outside for the suburban platforms,
and right for the main concourse), rather than a more recent one that's
been installed and taken away again.
--
Roland Perry

In article , (Roland
Perry) wrote:

In message , at 11:35:23
on Mon, 14 Feb 2011, Mizter T remarked:
They are also refusing point blank to replace the screen in the tube
subway and are proud to make every passenger walk through to the
Northern ticket hall to find out whether they need the suburban or
main sheds. Evil *******s.

Was this a screen in the passageway between the (old) main ticket hall
and the northern ticket hall? If so I guess it's always possible that
it was causing congestion.

Colin could be referring to the one in the *old* passageway (at the
junction where you went left then outside for the suburban
platforms, and right for the main concourse), rather than a more
recent one that's been installed and taken away again.

I was indeed referring to the old one. I'm not aware of anything since
then. The old one wasn't that old. I remember complaining that it was
needed shortly after starting work in London in 2001.

It's needed now so as then that passengers know which way to turn, for the
main or suburban platforms, as they emerge from the tube.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

In article ,
() wrote:

They are also refusing point blank to replace the screen in the
tube subway and are proud to make every passenger walk through to
the Northern ticket hall to find out whether they need the suburban
or main sheds. Evil *******s.

I picked up an FCC leaflet at the Cross today headed "do you travel from
King's Cross". They must lurk in this newsgroup or something! The leaflet
announces (inter alia):

"You asked us to let you know earlier what platform your train is leaving
from so we have invested in system improvements to give you more notice.

From 21 March 2011, we'll be able to let you know sooner from which
platform your service departs. This upgrade means more than one service
can be advertised on the same platform so please check it is the right
train before you board."

On the back of the leaflet it says:

"From underground to overground - making your journey easier

Arriving at King's Cross by Underground? This summer, to let you know
which part of the station your train is leaving from - the main building
(platforms 0-8) or the suburban platforms (9-11) - new departure screens
will be installed in the new Underground ticket hall and at the bottom of
the stairs that lead up to the main concourse."

Hurrah!

--
Colin Rosenstiel