In message , at 13:01:21 on Sun, 13 Feb
2011, Martin Petrov remarked:

On a slightly different note is there any way that this gateline can
plausibly cope with a crush loaded East Coast train arriving or is this
just a plot to make train travel as unpleasant as possible.

Plenty of other stations are like that - a morning peak Shenfield train
coming into Liverpool St takes quite a while to get through the barriers.
I would doubt this would put Network Rail off at Kings Cross either.

And somewhat closer to home, a packed 8-car FCC arriving at Kings Cross
Suburban.
--
Roland Perry

In article , (Roland
Perry) wrote:

In message , at 13:01:21 on Sun, 13
Feb 2011, Martin Petrov remarked:

On a slightly different note is there any way that this gateline can
plausibly cope with a crush loaded East Coast train arriving or is
this just a plot to make train travel as unpleasant as possible.

Plenty of other stations are like that - a morning peak Shenfield train
coming into Liverpool St takes quite a while to get through the
barriers. I would doubt this would put Network Rail off at Kings Cross
either.

And somewhat closer to home, a packed 8-car FCC arriving at Kings
Cross Suburban.

How about a packed 12-car FCC arriving at Kings Cross main shed?

--
Colin Rosenstiel

In message , at 15:25:35
on Sun, 13 Feb 2011, remarked:

On a slightly different note is there any way that this gateline can
plausibly cope with a crush loaded East Coast train arriving or is
this just a plot to make train travel as unpleasant as possible.

Plenty of other stations are like that - a morning peak Shenfield train
coming into Liverpool St takes quite a while to get through the
barriers. I would doubt this would put Network Rail off at Kings Cross
either.

And somewhat closer to home, a packed 8-car FCC arriving at Kings
Cross Suburban.

How about a packed 12-car FCC arriving at Kings Cross main shed?

I wasn't aware that these were currently arriving at barriered
platforms, but if you say they are, then that would be another way to
predict how much chaos would ensue when an Intercity arrives at a
barriered platform.
--
Roland Perry

"Roland Perry" wrote:

In message , at 15:25:35 on
Sun, 13 Feb 2011, remarked:

On a slightly different note is there any way that this gateline can
plausibly cope with a crush loaded East Coast train arriving or is
this just a plot to make train travel as unpleasant as possible.

Plenty of other stations are like that - a morning peak Shenfield train
coming into Liverpool St takes quite a while to get through the
barriers. I would doubt this would put Network Rail off at Kings Cross
either.

And somewhat closer to home, a packed 8-car FCC arriving at Kings
Cross Suburban.

How about a packed 12-car FCC arriving at Kings Cross main shed?

I wasn't aware that these were currently arriving at barriered platforms,
but if you say they are, then that would be another way to predict how
much chaos would ensue when an Intercity arrives at a barriered platform.


Other London termini stations have gates and 12 car trains too - thus far
sky hasn't fallen in.

"Mizter T" wrote:
[snip]
Plenty of other stations are like that - a morning peak Shenfield
train
coming into Liverpool St takes quite a while to get through the
barriers. I would doubt this would put Network Rail off at Kings Cross
either.

And somewhat closer to home, a packed 8-car FCC arriving at Kings
Cross Suburban.

How about a packed 12-car FCC arriving at Kings Cross main shed?

I wasn't aware that these were currently arriving at barriered platforms,
but if you say they are, then that would be another way to predict how
much chaos would ensue when an Intercity arrives at a barriered platform.

Other London termini stations have gates and 12 car trains too - thus far
sky hasn't fallen in.

....which is much the same point that Martin Petrov was making upthread.

In message , at 11:38:04 on
Mon, 14 Feb 2011, Mizter T remarked:

Other London termini stations have gates and 12 car trains too - thus
far sky hasn't fallen in.

...which is much the same point that Martin Petrov was making upthread.

I think we almost all share this view. Although when Roy said "cope
with", I wonder if he meant "without a queue developing".
--
Roland Perry

In article , (Roland
Perry) wrote:

In message , at 11:38:04
on Mon, 14 Feb 2011, Mizter T remarked:

Other London termini stations have gates and 12 car trains too - thus
far sky hasn't fallen in.

...which is much the same point that Martin Petrov was making upthread.

I think we almost all share this view. Although when Roy said "cope
with", I wonder if he meant "without a queue developing".

Liverpool Street is hardly a pleasant experience when arriving on a busy
train.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

In article ,
Mizter T wrote:
Other London termini stations have gates and 12 car trains too - thus far
sky hasn't fallen in.

I thought gating was normally only used for commuter services -- the
only place I've encountered gating on inter-city services is at Leeds
and that's pretty new, and the gateline there is huge. I guess the
new thinkibg is to put gates everywhere, but I don't have to like it.

I also don't like the fact that they've only gated half the main shed
and therefore put a great big locked gate in the middle splitting it
into two. It now means that if you're at the Eastern side of the
ticket hall and need to get to platforms 6-8 you need to fight your
way through the crowds in front of the main departure board.

-roy

In article ,
(Roy Badami) wrote:

In article ,
Mizter T wrote:
Other London termini stations have gates and 12 car trains too - thus
far sky hasn't fallen in.

I thought gating was normally only used for commuter services -- the
only place I've encountered gating on inter-city services is at Leeds
and that's pretty new, and the gateline there is huge. I guess the
new thinkibg is to put gates everywhere, but I don't have to like it.

I also don't like the fact that they've only gated half the main shed
and therefore put a great big locked gate in the middle splitting it
into two. It now means that if you're at the Eastern side of the
ticket hall and need to get to platforms 6-8 you need to fight your
way through the crowds in front of the main departure board.

And vice-versa when FCC decides to switch units between platforms 9 and 0
as it seems to do regularly these days. The 15:06 was announced for 0
today and then unannounced. It had clearly gone to 8 ("front four coaches
only") but still no platform announced when at 15:13 they announced the
15:15 as on 0. It left late. Being half-term the concourse was heaving too.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

In article , (Roland
Perry) wrote:

In message , at
15:25:35 on Sun, 13 Feb 2011, remarked:

On a slightly different note is there any way that this gateline
can plausibly cope with a crush loaded East Coast train arriving
or is this just a plot to make train travel as unpleasant as
possible.

Plenty of other stations are like that - a morning peak Shenfield
train coming into Liverpool St takes quite a while to get through
the barriers. I would doubt this would put Network Rail off at
Kings Cross either.

And somewhat closer to home, a packed 8-car FCC arriving at Kings
Cross Suburban.

How about a packed 12-car FCC arriving at Kings Cross main shed?

I wasn't aware that these were currently arriving at barriered
platforms, but if you say they are, then that would be another way
to predict how much chaos would ensue when an Intercity arrives at
a barriered platform.

Only more so! Where do the current 12-car services arrive in the mornings?
If at any of platforms 0-3 (4 & 5 are out of action) then it will be
happening now at least occasionally.

When I arrive on the 09:20 at platform 11 as often as not they leave the
gates open. The staff opened the gates in front of me this morning. They
weren't close enough to check the ticket I was holding in my hand.

--
Colin Rosenstiel