Why are there no train indicator boards at wood lane? Did they run out
of money when it was built or is the H&C still so unreliable it wasn't
worth the bother? And wouldn't it have made sense to build some sort
of walkway to White City all of 100 metres away so you don't have to
go through 2 gatelines to move between the stations?

In fact calling it white city might have been common sense too but thats not
something LU is generally blessed with. Ah well.

B2003

On 2011\02\15 09:58, d wrote:

In fact calling it white city might have been common sense too but thats not
something LU is generally blessed with. Ah well.

And a memory isn't something you were blessed with, since you've been
told the answer to this one already.
http://groups.google.com/group/uk.tr...author:Rowland

"Basil Jet" wrote in message
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On 2011\02\15 09:58, d wrote:

In fact calling it white city might have been common sense too but thats
not
something LU is generally blessed with. Ah well.

And a memory isn't something you were blessed with, since you've been told
the answer to this one already.

I particularly liked this bit that Colin Rosenstiel wrote:

"The White City station opened in 1947 was a rebuild, admittedly on a
slightly different site, of Wood Lane station and is in Wood Lane. The
old H&C White City was nearer the old Wood Lane than that White City
and the new Wood Lane is nearer to White City station than the old
White City H&C station was."

They just maintained their traditional decisiveness...

Paul S

In message of Tue, 15 Feb 2011 09:58:40
in uk.transport.london, d writes
Why are there no train indicator boards at wood lane? Did they run out
of money when it was built or is the H&C still so unreliable it wasn't
worth the bother? And wouldn't it have made sense to build some sort
of walkway to White City all of 100 metres away so you don't have to
go through 2 gatelines to move between the stations?

None of the stations between Paddington and Hammersmith have train
indicator boards. I always assumed that putting them in would require
signalling hardware between the two points. The lack of information is
an abuse for those with hearing difficulties. Somebody does give good
announcements on that stretch of line. It seems to be done by an
individual rather than machinery.

I find it more irritating that Dot Matrix Indicators are installed and
not commissioned. e.g. at North Harrow - Northwood which had displays
which acted as expensive clocks. (They might have been commissioned by
now). A similar situation can be seen in Waterloo's Shell Centre Ticket
Hall where Bakerloo and Northern Line displays are commissioned but the
Jubilee Line display shows nothing.

There is also a problem between Queen's Park and Harrow and Wealdstone
where help points have waited for commissioning for more than a year.
--
Walter Briscoe

On Tue, 15 Feb 2011 14:56:54 +0000
Walter Briscoe wrote:
None of the stations between Paddington and Hammersmith have train
indicator boards. I always assumed that putting them in would require
signalling hardware between the two points. The lack of information is

Can't be all that hard though. The northern line got them in 1980s.

B2003

"Walter Briscoe" wrote:

In message of Tue, 15 Feb 2011 09:58:40
in uk.transport.london, d writes:

Why are there no train indicator boards at wood lane? Did they run out
of money when it was built or is the H&C still so unreliable it wasn't
worth the bother? And wouldn't it have made sense to build some sort
of walkway to White City all of 100 metres away so you don't have to
go through 2 gatelines to move between the stations?

None of the stations between Paddington and Hammersmith have train
indicator boards. I always assumed that putting them in would require
signalling hardware between the two points. The lack of information is
an abuse for those with hearing difficulties. Somebody does give good
announcements on that stretch of line. It seems to be done by an
individual rather than machinery.

"an abuse" - that's rather strong. Truth is, everything hinges on the new
SSL signalling system, which is some years off still. Without the new
signalling system there's no data feed for any such 'train describer'
boards. In essence it's in the pipeline, just that the pipeline is a bloody
long one (because everyone kept putting off building it, and when they
started in earnest then a dodgy construction model was chosen which has of
course subsequently imploded - I'm poss stretching the analogy into
nonsenseville here!).


I find it more irritating that Dot Matrix Indicators are installed and
not commissioned. e.g. at North Harrow - Northwood which had displays
which acted as expensive clocks. (They might have been commissioned by
now). [...]

One must presume that when these SSL stations were refurbished, it was
considered cost-effective to install the 'train describers' at the same
time - at the time, the timetable for the signalling upgrade would've
suggested that they'd be needed sooner than is now to be the case - though
perhaps we should be a bit grateful that the upgrade is actually happening
at all, and didn't get canned.


[...] A similar situation can be seen in Waterloo's Shell Centre Ticket
Hall where Bakerloo and Northern Line displays are commissioned but the
Jubilee Line display shows nothing.

There is also a problem between Queen's Park and Harrow and Wealdstone
where help points have waited for commissioning for more than a year.

Can't offer a guessplanation for those - though thinking about the latter, I
wonder if there might be some difficulties given the LU / Network Rail
interface on that stretch of line (all stations are owned by Network Rail
but nowadays are managed by LU, apart from Willesden Jn which is managed by
LOROL).

On Tue, 15 Feb 2011 16:07:37 -0000
"Mizter T" wrote:
"an abuse" - that's rather strong. Truth is, everything hinges on the new
SSL signalling system, which is some years off still. Without the new
signalling system there's no data feed for any such 'train describer'
boards. In essence it's in the pipeline, just that the pipeline is a bloody

So when did the data feeds for the lines that do have them get put in place?
As I said in another post , the northern line had these installed back in
the 80s. Was a major feed install done then?

B2003

wrote:

On Tue, 15 Feb 2011 14:56:54 +0000
Walter Briscoe wrote:
None of the stations between Paddington and Hammersmith have train
indicator boards. I always assumed that putting them in would require
signalling hardware between the two points. The lack of information is

Can't be all that hard though. The northern line got them in 1980s.


When you've got signalling equipment dating back to the 1920's operating on
the SSL, plugging in new kit to interface with that isn't likely to be a
simple job - and anyhow, any such efforts are better expended on the
wholesale signalling upgrade.

wrote:

On Tue, 15 Feb 2011 16:07:37 -0000
"Mizter T" wrote:

"an abuse" - that's rather strong. Truth is, everything hinges on the new
SSL signalling system, which is some years off still. Without the new
signalling system there's no data feed for any such 'train describer'
boards. In essence it's in the pipeline, just that the pipeline is a
bloody

So when did the data feeds for the lines that do have them get put in
place?
As I said in another post , the northern line had these installed back in
the 80s. Was a major feed install done then?

I'm really no expert on signalling, but the sub-surface lines are way behind
everything else - bits of it are prehistoric. The fact this has only started
to be addressed within the last decade or so shows the continued neglect
shown by successive governments of different hues (and then when the Labour
government finally decided it had to be addressed, they did so through the
flawed vehicle of the Tube PPP).

On Tue, 15 Feb 2011 16:11:25 -0000
"Mizter T" wrote:
When you've got signalling equipment dating back to the 1920's operating on
the SSL, plugging in new kit to interface with that isn't likely to be a

There was old equipment on the northern and piccadilly too but they managed
to get them working on there so where theres a will...

B2003