Whilst we're on the subject of boundary zone tickets, I occasionally
need to go to Chelmsford. At Liverpool Street I usually ask for a BZ2
to Chelmsford ticket but my request usually gets refused as I'm told
that there is no stop in Z2 from Liverpool Street towards Stratford. I
seem to recall reading that there's no requirement for there to be a
stop for a BZ tickets (unlike named stations), but have never felt
like arguing the toss for such a small amount. Who is right in this
case?

Thanks,

Luke

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, at
02:43:06 on Fri, 25 Feb 2011, Luke Ross remarked:
Whilst we're on the subject of boundary zone tickets, I occasionally
need to go to Chelmsford. At Liverpool Street I usually ask for a BZ2
to Chelmsford ticket but my request usually gets refused as I'm told
that there is no stop in Z2 from Liverpool Street towards Stratford. I
seem to recall reading that there's no requirement for there to be a
stop for a BZ tickets (unlike named stations), but have never felt
like arguing the toss for such a small amount. Who is right in this
case?

Aren't BZ tickets only available in one direction (eg BZ to Chelmsford,
or Chelmsford to BZ) I can't remember which way round it is.
--
Roland Perry

"Roland Perry" wrote
Luke Ross remarked:
Whilst we're on the subject of boundary zone tickets, I occasionally need
to go to Chelmsford. At Liverpool Street I usually ask for a BZ2 to
Chelmsford ticket but my request usually gets refused as I'm told that
there is no stop in Z2 from Liverpool Street towards Stratford. I seem to
recall reading that there's no requirement for there to be a stop for a BZ
tickets (unlike named stations), but have never felt like arguing the toss
for such a small amount. Who is right in this case?

Aren't BZ tickets only available in one direction (eg BZ to Chelmsford, or
Chelmsford to BZ) I can't remember which way round it is.

They're only available *from* the zones but they are available as returns,
in which case the return 'half' would show (in this case) Chelmsford to BZ2.

"Luke Ross" wrote in message
...
Whilst we're on the subject of boundary zone tickets, I occasionally
need to go to Chelmsford. At Liverpool Street I usually ask for a BZ2
to Chelmsford ticket but my request usually gets refused as I'm told
that there is no stop in Z2 from Liverpool Street towards Stratford. I
seem to recall reading that there's no requirement for there to be a
stop for a BZ tickets (unlike named stations), but have never felt
like arguing the toss for such a small amount. Who is right in this
case?

You are - as long as you present your existing travelcard valid in zones 1
and 2. You cannot just buy a BZ2 to wherever - it is a specific sort of
excess fare.

When using an BZ extension there is definitely no need for the train to call
at a station at the boundary - that's the whole point of them being issued
from a BZ rather than a station, after all.

Paul S

"Paul Scott" wrote:

"Luke Ross" wrote:

Whilst we're on the subject of boundary zone tickets, I occasionally
need to go to Chelmsford. At Liverpool Street I usually ask for a BZ2
to Chelmsford ticket but my request usually gets refused as I'm told
that there is no stop in Z2 from Liverpool Street towards Stratford. I
seem to recall reading that there's no requirement for there to be a
stop for a BZ tickets (unlike named stations), but have never felt
like arguing the toss for such a small amount. Who is right in this
case?

You are - as long as you present your existing travelcard valid in zones 1
and 2. You cannot just buy a BZ2 to wherever - it is a specific sort of
excess fare.

When using an BZ extension there is definitely no need for the train to
call at a station at the boundary - that's the whole point of them being
issued from a BZ rather than a station, after all.


Just to say, I concur with all that - perhaps the OP might like to send off
a quick complaint to NXEA, it's just remotely possible that word might reach
the front line so they are made aware that they're not doing it right.

On Feb 25, 12:31*pm, "Paul Scott"
wrote:

You are - as long as you present your existing travelcard valid in zones 1
and 2. *You cannot just buy a BZ2 to wherever - it is a specific sort of
excess fare.

I show my Oyster to the person selling me the ticket, although they've
never
bothered to check (even on the rare occasion they do issue a BZ2).
Once
upon a time I would have been able to show my record card, but these
days
I'm on monthlys and so have nothing to show.

Next time I request such a ticket I'll see what happens, and if the
answer is
still no will drop an email to NXEA.

Thanks!

Luke

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,
Luke Ross wrote:
Whilst we're on the subject of boundary zone tickets, I occasionally
need to go to Chelmsford. At Liverpool Street I usually ask for a BZ2
to Chelmsford ticket but my request usually gets refused as I'm told
that there is no stop in Z2 from Liverpool Street towards Stratford. I
seem to recall reading that there's no requirement for there to be a
stop for a BZ tickets (unlike named stations), but have never felt
like arguing the toss for such a small amount. Who is right in this
case?

You are.

The point to remember is that a BZ "ticket" isn't a separate ticket.
Rather, it's a coupon (or pair of coupons) that converts your (say) R12
Travelcard into a "R12 Travelcard plus one return trip from anywhere in
zones 1 or 2 to Chelmsford" ticket.

So there's no question of a station in zone 2.

All this is spelled out in one of the on-line fares manuals.

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"Luke Ross" wrote in message
...
Whilst we're on the subject of boundary zone tickets, I occasionally
need to go to Chelmsford. At Liverpool Street I usually ask for a BZ2
to Chelmsford ticket but my request usually gets refused as I'm told
that there is no stop in Z2 from Liverpool Street towards Stratford. I
seem to recall reading that there's no requirement for there to be a
stop for a BZ tickets (unlike named stations), but have never felt
like arguing the toss for such a small amount. Who is right in this
case?

What type of ticket are you buying? If you are buying an Off-Peak ticket
then the prices are identical for London Terminals and Boundary Zone 2.
There is a 60p saving on the Anytime Day Return.

Peter Smyth

All this is spelled out in one of the on-line fares manuals.

Found it. At least in NFM96 (yes, I know) it was in section K, under
"General points about excess fares". To quote:

The following examples may help to make the rules clear.
1. The holder of a Zone R1234 Peak Day Travelcard wishes to travel from
Richmond to Twyford via London.
Issue an excess fare ticket from Boundary Zone 4 to Twyford.
2. The holder of a Zone R1245 Period Travelcard wishes to travel to
Aylesbury.
Issue an excess fare ticket from Boundary Zone 5 to Aylesbury via
Chalfont & Latimer.

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On Feb 26, 7:28*am, "Peter Smyth" wrote:
"Luke Ross" wrote in message

...

Whilst we're on the subject of boundary zone tickets, I occasionally
need to go to Chelmsford. At Liverpool Street I usually ask for a BZ2
to Chelmsford ticket but my request usually gets refused as I'm told
that there is no stop in Z2 from Liverpool Street towards Stratford. I
seem to recall reading that there's no requirement for there to be a
stop for a BZ tickets (unlike named stations), but have never felt
like arguing the toss for such a small amount. Who is right in this
case?

What type of ticket are you buying? If you are buying an Off-Peak ticket
then the prices are identical for London Terminals and Boundary Zone 2.
There is a 60p saving on the Anytime Day Return.

I thought this might be the case - have noticed this on the GWML
before. Odd the way there's sometimes a significant saving on an Off-
Peak Return from BZ2 to $random_place_in_NSE_area compared to London
Terminals, and sometimes none at all.

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