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(Mizter T) wrote:

On Feb 26, 3:02*pm, wrote:

What about more than one person using the same card? I use my credit
card to buy tickets for all the family quite often.

I don't think it'd be any different to Oyster - any one credit/debit
card could only be used in this way by one person at any one time (and
strictly speaking at least I'd expect it should only be the named
cardholder).

Multiple (regular, paper) tickets could still be purchased in one
transaction using a debit/credit card from the ticket office or ticket
machine.

People using the wrong card to get through a gate - or erroneously
using a card when they've already got a paper ticket - is an obvious
issue one can foresee about this development.

Rather destroys the pay-wave system for adults with children then.

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Rather destroys the pay-wave system for adults with children then.

Pay wave can only be used for a purchase of up to £15 (only recently
increased from £10), so it's not really suitable for purchasing multiple
tickets.
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Paul Terry

In message , at 10:25:59 on Sun, 27
Feb 2011, Paul Terry remarked:

Rather destroys the pay-wave system for adults with children then.

Pay wave can only be used for a purchase of up to £15 (only recently
increased from £10), so it's not really suitable for purchasing
multiple tickets.

I wonder if the same restrictions would apply to this ticketing
scenario? I get the impression it's a brand new scheme with potentially
brand new rules.
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Roland Perry

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In message , at 10:25:59 on Sun,
27 Feb 2011, Paul Terry remarked:

Pay wave can only be used for a purchase of up to £15 (only recently
increased from £10), so it's not really suitable for purchasing
multiple tickets.

I wonder if the same restrictions would apply to this ticketing
scenario? I get the impression it's a brand new scheme with potentially
brand new rules.

The limit is there because of the insecurity of contactless bank cards.
Lose the card and anyone can use it, typically for five transactions
before being asked to present a PIN (There's no real-time processing of
contactless payments, so even when a lost card is reported, it can't be
stopped immediately like a chip-and-pin card).

If that happens, the banks generally pick up the tab, so they would be
very loathe to increase their exposure to risk by upping the limit
(especially since TfL have already negotiated that a PIN will never be
requested at busy stations).
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Paul Terry

In message , at 12:30:00 on Sun, 27
Feb 2011, Paul Terry remarked:
Pay wave can only be used for a purchase of up to £15 (only recently
increased from £10), so it's not really suitable for purchasing
multiple tickets.

I wonder if the same restrictions would apply to this ticketing
scenario? I get the impression it's a brand new scheme with
potentially brand new rules.

The limit is there because of the insecurity of contactless bank cards.
Lose the card and anyone can use it, typically for five transactions
before being asked to present a PIN (There's no real-time processing of
contactless payments, so even when a lost card is reported, it can't be
stopped immediately like a chip-and-pin card).

If that happens, the banks generally pick up the tab, so they would be
very loathe to increase their exposure to risk by upping the limit
(especially since TfL have already negotiated that a PIN will never be
requested at busy stations).

I don't agree. For all we know the risk is being borne by TfL, it's not
as if the customers are buying things with a tangible cost-of-sales
(like a packet of cigarettes). It seems from other reports that TfL will
be blacklisting cards within 4hrs, which indicates to me it's a special
scheme where TfL are indeed taking the risk.
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Roland Perry

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I don't agree. For all we know the risk is being borne by TfL,

Are you really saying that if someone loses their pay-and-wave card and
it is picked up by someone who then uses it to buy, say, packets of fags
up to the £75 limit, that TfL will recompense the banks?

I don't believe it.

It seems from other reports that TfL will be blacklisting cards within
4hrs, which indicates to me it's a special scheme where TfL are indeed
taking the risk.

Even if they do, it would be trivially easy for a petty thief to clear
the balance on the card within a few minutes. Four hours would be far
too long.

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Paul Terry

In message , at 13:49:35 on Sun, 27
Feb 2011, Paul Terry remarked:
In message , Roland Perry
writes

I don't agree. For all we know the risk is being borne by TfL,

Are you really saying that if someone loses their pay-and-wave card and
it is picked up by someone who then uses it to buy, say, packets of
fags up to the £75 limit, that TfL will recompense the banks?

I don't believe it.

Don't be absurd. TfL are only taking the risk when the stolen card is
used to BUY TRAVEL!!

It seems from other reports that TfL will be blacklisting cards within
4hrs, which indicates to me it's a special scheme where TfL are indeed
taking the risk.

Even if they do, it would be trivially easy for a petty thief to clear
the balance on the card within a few minutes. Four hours would be far
too long.

How can a thief do ten fraudulently paid-for journeys in a few minutes
(and why would he want to)?

If he's using the card to buy packets of cigarettes, that's not TfL's
problem, or a new problem, or indeed anything to do with this thread.
--
Roland Perry

On Sun, Feb 27, 2011 at 10:25:59AM +0000, Paul Terry wrote:

Pay wave can only be used for a purchase of up to £15 (only recently
increased from £10), so it's not really suitable for purchasing multiple
tickets.

No? It would cover 7 adult singles between Victoria and Paddington.

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In message , at 10:53:28
on Fri, 11 Mar 2011, David Cantrell remarked:
Pay wave can only be used for a purchase of up to £15 (only recently
increased from £10), so it's not really suitable for purchasing multiple
tickets.

No? It would cover 7 adult singles between Victoria and Paddington.

You'd only get two typical Travelcards (in one transaction). But I don't
think anyone is suggesting that TfL are upgrading their ticket machines
to take Paywave - they've had three years to do that and no sign of it.
--
Roland Perry

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In message , at 10:53:28
on Fri, 11 Mar 2011, David Cantrell remarked:
Pay wave can only be used for a purchase of up to £15 (only recently
increased from £10), so it's not really suitable for purchasing multiple
tickets.

No? It would cover 7 adult singles between Victoria and Paddington.

You'd only get two typical Travelcards (in one transaction). But I don't
think anyone is suggesting that TfL are upgrading their ticket machines to
take Paywave - they've had three years to do that and no sign of it.
--
Roland Perry

I would not be totally sure about that. Visa have said they want the
Olympics to be "cashless" and seem to be pushing the adoption of Paywave
with the connivance of the ODA. They haven't got far yet but I suspect
you'll see some activity in the near future. There is an article in this
weeks Computing
http://www.computing.co.uk/ctg/opini...hless-olympics
not that it mentions TfL at all.