W K wrote:
"Doki" wrote in message
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"Cast_Iron" wrote in message
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"Silk" wrote in message
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Oliver Keating wrote:

1) Social justice

People who are not prepared to work should get no money. That's
social justice.


What about people who want to but are not allowed to?

Which ones would they be? I honestly can't think of anyone who wants
work but isn't allowed to. I can think of situations where it isn't
worth people's while working, but only on an anecdotal basis.

Its only very recently that we have almost full employment, and there
are still places where jobs aren't dead easy to get.

Wrong, there are jobs there but people prefer to do nothing and get it off
the state. There are always jobs around driving mini cabs, washiing up and
other menial jobs. People should be forced to do those jobs while waiting
for a better one.

People are not prepared to help themselves and be honest. I onced earned £10
cutting a lawn and declared that when I went to sign on. Even the idiot
behind the desk said I should have been quiet about it.

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MrBitsy

Conor wrote:
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The world is full of people who would rather live in a/the house
they can't afford to buy.

This applies to people living and working in a rural community. People
like agricultural workers.

How about moving somewhere where they can afford to buy - the rest of us
have to do it.

I write software but can't afford to buy a new house in the town I live. Do
I have a reasonable gripe against someone that moved out of London or should
I just move where I can afford a property?

Who are 'agricultural workers' to get special treatment?

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MrBitsy

Conor wrote:
In article , CastIron_881
@hotmail.com says...


But it is the question of affordability in relation to local wages
that is the cause for concern.

We have entire villages where the only locally born people there are
those who bought their homes decades ago and never moved. The rest
simply can't afford to buy. The sad fact is that the effect is also
spreading into the towns in East Yorks to the point that no locals
will be able to afford to buy.

So what?

I can't afford to buy a house in the town I was born in so I had to look
elsewhere. Why should people in villages or certain jobs get special
treatment? They will have to do the same as the rest of us. Buy cheap, maybe
in another town, work hard and eventually have enogh money to be able to buy
exactly where you want.

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MrBitsy

MrBitsy wrote:
Oliver Keating wrote:

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And as people keep seeming to forget, every pound that one
of these rich kids pays is a pound that the poor don't
have to pay.


Perhaps they ought to do something about it and become
richer? A lot of people can't be bothered to improve,
prefering to stay poor by choice and moan about 'rich'
people.

An unfortunate aspect of English culture I feel, it's easier to sit and slag
off those who make the effort than to get off one's arse and do something to
improve one's situation.

I once heard and interesting definition between the British and American
outlooks. A Brit sees a desirable car pass him, and thinks, "Why the f**k
should he have that?" whereas an American thinks "Hey, that's nice, I'll get
one" and makes the effort to achieve that aim.

Conor wrote:

snip

static whilst the house prices have shot up 100%. Even a couple on
decent wages for the area can no longer afford to buy a house on a 3
times multiplier of annual earnings.

So buy a flat then!
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MrBitsy

Conor wrote:
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says...
Conor wrote...

CastIron_881 @hotmail.com says...

But it is the question of affordability in relation to local wages
that is the cause for concern.

We have entire villages where the only locally born people there are
those who bought their homes decades ago and never moved. The rest
simply can't afford to buy. The sad fact is that the effect is also
spreading into the towns in East Yorks to the point that no locals
will be able to afford to buy.

That's odd, Conor.

You are forever telling us how cheap housing is up there.

It is compared to most of the country but the local wages are dire.
The cost of housing in villages though has risen far faster than that
of the towns. You'll be lucky to find a house in a village for sale
under £150,000. Considering that the average wage around here is
£12,000, how can even a working couple afford to buy?

Get on the council list, live there for a few years and get a discount.
While your doing that, go back to school and improve yourself.

If you can't get a council house then tough - join the rest of us. I waited
two years for mine. I lived there for 17 years and got a nice discount on
the property.

During the wait for a council property, I lived with my mother-in-law. Life
is tough sometimes - get on with it and stop whinging.

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MrBitsy

Conor wrote:
In article ,
says...

In the nearest town?

Just a suggestion...

They still can't really afford one on £12k.

Tough - work hard and save until you can.
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MrBitsy

Cast_Iron wrote:
Duncan McNiven wrote:
On Mon, 22 Dec 2003 07:58:53 +0000 (UTC), "Cast_Iron"
wrote:

But none of the additional houses are purely
holiday/weekend homes are they?
It's a different situation.

Yes, it is a very different situation, but if 2nd homes
were heavily taxed it would take some unusually clever
legislation to make this situation exempt without leaving
great loopholes in the law.

House 1 is the permanent family home, no problem, no loophole.
House 2 is the parental home occupied by a parent, no problem, no
loophole. House 3 being 1000 miles away is not in the UK I suspect,
if so, no relevant.

Why do people try to create problems where none exist?

Because if bad news is just around the corner, that parental home will
become a second home.


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MrBitsy

"Cast_Iron" wrote in message
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Given the that the increased road congestion in Friday and Sunday
evenings
is caused by many people going and from to their country cottages for the
weekend, isn't it time that second homes attracted a punative rate of
council tax?

Less controversially, isn't it time that second homes attracted the normal
(ie non-discount) rate of council tax?

clive

"MrBitsy" wrote in message
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The taxi jobs especially made me feel realy down but my
family needed feeding and clothing. I could either sit on my
arse for £120 per week or do those jobs for £140 per week.
That extra £20 meant dealing with drunks and
lowlifes, but it gave us £20 more self respect.

Do you mean "It gave us £20 more money, and £120 more self respect"?

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A man's vehicle is a symbol of his manhood.
That's why my vehicle's the Piccadilly Line -
It's the size of a county and it comes every two and a half minutes