Silk wrote:

JohnB wrote:

Thank you for showing your ignorance.
In this case the work is throughout the year.

Please give an example of a type of farming that is not seasonal.

I'm sure there are a lot of farms that have a similar workload all year
round, but the type of activity will vary according to season.

Do chickens stop laying eggs[1] in the winter where you live?

Not the product I originally referred to but it might help you get the
message.

John B

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Oliver Keating wrote:

1) Social justice

People who are not prepared to work should get no money. That's
social justice.


What about people who want to but are not allowed to?

Which ones would they be? I honestly can't think of anyone who wants
work but isn't allowed to. I can think of situations where it isn't
worth people's while working, but only on an anecdotal basis.

Its only very recently that we have almost full employment, and there
are still places where jobs aren't dead easy to get.

Wrong, there are jobs there but people prefer to do nothing and get it off
the state. There are always jobs around driving mini cabs, washiing up and
other menial jobs. People should be forced to do those jobs while waiting
for a better one.

You live in london don't you.

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Oliver Keating wrote:

1) Social justice

People who are not prepared to work should get no money. That's
social
justice.


What about people who want to but are not allowed to?

Which ones would they be? I honestly can't think of anyone who wants
work
but isn't allowed to. I can think of situations where it isn't worth
people's while working, but only on an anecdotal basis.

Its only very recently that we have almost full employment, and there
are
still places where jobs aren't dead easy to get.

That's wanting a job and not getting one, not *not being allowed* to work.

Odd distinction.
Unless people want a job but never get round to actually asking anyone for
one, then someone is not allowing them to work for them.

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Cast_Iron wrote:
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"Silk" wrote in message
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Oliver Keating wrote:

1) Social justice

People who are not prepared to work should get no money. That's
social justice.


What about people who want to but are not allowed to?

Which ones would they be? I honestly can't think of anyone who wants
work but isn't allowed to. I can think of situations where it isn't
worth people's while working, but only on an anecdotal basis.



Such people might include (but without excluding anyone else) somone
who needs to change occupation because a disability has set in. That
person has the skills for the new occupation/s s/he wants to take up
but because s/he hasn't used those skills in a full-time job no
prospective employer will give him/her a chance.

So they do any job they are able until a suitable job appears.
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And if no one will gve them a job because of "lack of experience"?

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Conor wrote:
In article ,
says...

The world is full of people who would rather live in a/the house
they can't afford to buy.

This applies to people living and working in a rural community. People
like agricultural workers.

How about moving somewhere where they can afford to buy - the rest of us
have to do it.

I write software but can't afford to buy a new house in the town I live.
Do
I have a reasonable gripe against someone that moved out of London or
should
I just move where I can afford a property?

Who are 'agricultural workers' to get special treatment?


The people who grow the food that you and the rest of us eat and who would
have difficulty doing that job in the middle of a large conurbation, for
example.

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Conor wrote:

snip

static whilst the house prices have shot up 100%. Even a couple on
decent wages for the area can no longer afford to buy a house on a 3
times multiplier of annual earnings.

So buy a flat then!

What makes you think that would be significantly cheaper?

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Conor wrote:
In article ,
says...

In the nearest town?

Just a suggestion...

They still can't really afford one on £12k.

Tough - work hard and save until you can.


Working hard has got nothing to do with it. Being able to work effectively
and earn sufficient money has.

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Given the that the increased road congestion in Friday and Sunday
evenings
is caused by many people going and from to their country cottages for
the
weekend, isn't it time that second homes attracted a punative rate of
council tax?

Less controversially, isn't it time that second homes attracted the normal
(ie non-discount) rate of council tax?


But if I had suggested that we wouldn't have had this interesting
conversation I suspect, unless someone wants to prove me wrong?

obin May wrote...

"Vulpes Argenteus (formerly M)" wrote:

I like the idea of 'social justice' insofar as a second home is
much less heavily used in terms of local resources: waste
disposal, road maintenance and so forth, and should therefore be
comparatively lightly taxed.

But a second home is an inefficient allocation of resources. Something
that could be used to help solve housing shortage problems instead ends
up sitting unused for large amounts of the time and the owners make
little contribution to the local economy.

I hve bought five houses and sold four.

I have never seen anything in any part of any of the contracts which said or
implied that I was under any obligation to do anything towards "solve
housing shortages" [sic], or to "make contribution to the local economy" -
or even that I had to live in the property being purchased.

Has property law changed in the last tweve years?

Cast_Iron wrote...

"MrBitsy" wrote:

Conor wrote:

says...

The world is full of people who would rather live in a/the house
they can't afford to buy.

This applies to people living and working in a rural community. People
like agricultural workers.

How about moving somewhere where they can afford to buy - the rest of us
have to do it.
I write software but can't afford to buy a new house in the town I live.
Do I have a reasonable gripe against someone that moved out of London
or should I just move where I can afford a property?
Who are 'agricultural workers' to get special treatment?

The people who grow the food that you and the rest of us eat and who would
have difficulty doing that job in the middle of a large conurbation, for
example.

There was a lot to be said for the concept of the tied cottage, of course (a
bit like armed forces' married quarters, or even like nos. 10 & 11 Downing
Street).

But the chatterati were dead against tied cottages...