wrote:

"JNugent" wrote:

wrote:

Greg Hennessy wrote:

[ ... ]

If you were to believe the CPRE, the SE is currently like
downtown Hong Hong during the rush hour, when the reality
is that approximately 15% of the land within 1 hours
commute of charring cross is built on.

A one hour commute by your favoured mode is only about ten miles
at most. Are you suggesting that there are open fields within
that area?

A one hour journey by car can take one (easily) up to 60 miles
(probably not a lot more, unless one lives adjacent to a motorway
interchange).

You'll have to travel a fair distance from Charing Cross before you
can do anything more than 30mph and even that is pretty ambitious as
an average speed, especially considering the fact that you'll face
congestion and a lot of traffic lights. I'd be absolutely amazed if
you could travel as much as 60 miles. Even half that seems optimistic.

Who said anything about either living or working at Charing Cross?

So what are you talking about?

More to the point, what are you talking about?

I asked first.

"JNugent" wrote the following
in:

wrote:

"JNugent" wrote:

wrote:

Greg Hennessy wrote:

[ ... ]

If you were to believe the CPRE, the SE is currently like
downtown Hong Hong during the rush hour, when the reality
is that approximately 15% of the land within 1 hours
commute of charring cross is built on.

A one hour commute by your favoured mode is only about ten
miles at most. Are you suggesting that there are open fields
within that area?

A one hour journey by car can take one (easily) up to 60 miles
(probably not a lot more, unless one lives adjacent to a
motorway interchange).

You'll have to travel a fair distance from Charing Cross before
you can do anything more than 30mph and even that is pretty
ambitious as an average speed, especially considering the fact
that you'll face congestion and a lot of traffic lights. I'd be
absolutely amazed if you could travel as much as 60 miles. Even
half that seems optimistic.

Who said anything about either living or working at Charing Cross?

For goodness sake, it's even quoted in your post (and this one). Keep
up. For your benefit:

the reality
is that approximately 15% of the land within 1 hours
commute of charring cross is built on.

--
message by Robin May, but you can call me Mr Smith.
Enjoy the Routemaster while you still can.

"Handlebar catch and nipple."

wrote:

"JNugent" wrote:

wrote:

"JNugent" wrote:

wrote:

Greg Hennessy wrote:

[ ... ]

If you were to believe the CPRE, the SE is currently like
downtown Hong Hong during the rush hour, when the reality
is that approximately 15% of the land within 1 hours
commute of charring cross is built on.

A one hour commute by your favoured mode is only about ten
miles at most. Are you suggesting that there are open fields
within that area?

A one hour journey by car can take one (easily) up to 60 miles
(probably not a lot more, unless one lives adjacent to a
motorway interchange).

You'll have to travel a fair distance from Charing Cross before
you can do anything more than 30mph and even that is pretty
ambitious as an average speed, especially considering the fact
that you'll face congestion and a lot of traffic lights. I'd be
absolutely amazed if you could travel as much as 60 miles. Even
half that seems optimistic.

Who said anything about either living or working at Charing Cross?

For goodness sake, it's even quoted in your post (and this one).

Charing Cross is mentioned (as the centre of a particular circle of which
15% is built-up) - but there is no mention or claim of either *living* or
*working* there.

GH made a point about how little of SE England is built on, that's all
(AAMOF, I don't agree with him about the need for planning controls - I am a
supporter of planning controls - but we can live with that).

"Cast_Iron" wrote in message
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"Cast_Iron" wrote in message
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I buy a second house. I won't be spending much time there,

Then why bother, why not simply stay in holiday accommodation and
contribute
to the local economy? Plus it may well work out cheaper.

If you buy, you not only get the holiday, you also get a capital gain.
Unless you need to take out a mortgage, it is usually a very good way to
invest money.

so, as I won't have time to do the decorating myself, that,
along with a few repairs, have to be done by a local
builder.

If only everyone did that, but there are many who will use a tradesman
from
their own area, "because they know him". No gain to the local economy.

A holiday home is not likely to be close enough by for most tradesmen to be
willing to do the journey.

I'm not moving an existing house, so all the
furniture, tv, hi-fi, video etc, have to be bought locally.

On the contrary, they can be bought anywhere. Where do you suppose a
permanent local resident buys their furniture etc?

They will buy locally too, but they don't usually refit a whole house at a
time.

Some holiday home owners
when setting up simply move their existing furniture from their permanent
home to the holiday cottage and renew from suppliers in their area. No
gain
to the local economy.

That, as much as anything, is a factor of distance and convenience. IMO, if
the holiday home is far enough away to be worth having, it is too far for
that to be convenient. However, I will admit to having taken a bed with me,
to make sure I had somewhere to sleep on the first night.

How many years' food shopping will a permanent resident
have to do to put the same amount of money into the local
economy?

Many holiday home owners simply take food from their permanent home's
nearest supermarket. No gain to the local economy.

That wasn't the question.

Then, of course, there are the ongoing costs. I
will need both a gardener and someone to clean the house,
if I want to prevent things getting out of hand while I am
away. That is without even spending any time at the house.

That's your way of doing things, not everyone is quite so houseproud or
they
will send someone they know.

Again, probably not practical if the place is far enough away to count as a
holiday home and, if you have a swimming pool, it is essential to have
someone attend to it regularly.

But the net result is that buying a holiday home is depriving someone else
of a permanent home.

Only if there is a local shortage of housing. If you buy in France, for
example, there are tax advantages to buying a new property, so there are
lots of older properties around that nobody wants. They are the ones
invariably offered to the British buyers.

Colin Bignell

"JNugent" wrote the following
in:

wrote:

"JNugent" wrote:

wrote:

"JNugent" wrote:

wrote:

Greg Hennessy wrote:

[ ... ]

If you were to believe the CPRE, the SE is currently like
downtown Hong Hong during the rush hour, when the reality
is that approximately 15% of the land within 1 hours
commute of charring cross is built on.

A one hour commute by your favoured mode is only about ten
miles at most. Are you suggesting that there are open fields
within that area?

A one hour journey by car can take one (easily) up to 60 miles
(probably not a lot more, unless one lives adjacent to a
motorway interchange).

You'll have to travel a fair distance from Charing Cross before
you can do anything more than 30mph and even that is pretty
ambitious as an average speed, especially considering the fact
that you'll face congestion and a lot of traffic lights. I'd be
absolutely amazed if you could travel as much as 60 miles. Even
half that seems optimistic.

Who said anything about either living or working at Charing
Cross?

For goodness sake, it's even quoted in your post (and this one).

Charing Cross is mentioned (as the centre of a particular circle
of which 15% is built-up) - but there is no mention or claim of
either *living* or *working* there.

The claim referred to Charing Cross and areas within 1 hour's commute
of it. The reply to that said 1 hour's commute of Charing Cross (the
reference to Charing Cross was left implicit but was nonetheless
perfectly clear) is about 10 miles at most (a little pessimistic
perhaps, but far more realistic than what you went on to say). Your
reply to that was that a one hour journey by car can take a person
"(easily) up to 60 miles". You said that in reply to a post that was
clearly talking about a one hour commute from Charing Cross. If you
fail to see that or the relevance of Charing Cross to all this, there's
nothing I can do other than recommend attending English classes to
improve your reading comprehension.

--
message by Robin May, but you can call me Mr Smith.
Enjoy the Routemaster while you still can.

"Handlebar catch and nipple."

Cast_Iron wrote:
Stimpy wrote:

It worked fine for some of us thank you very much

(age 42 and semi-retired)

The current fashionable theory always works for someone, good for you.

Thank you ;-)

"Cast_Iron" wrote in message
...


But the net result is that buying a holiday home is
depriving someone else of a permanent home.

Only if there is a local shortage of housing. If you buy in
France, for example, there are tax advantages to buying a
new property, so there are lots of older properties around
that nobody wants. They are the ones invariably offered to
the British buyers.

Colin Bignell

Just in case you hadn't noticed this discussion has nothing to do with
France or any other country outside the UK.

JNugent wrote:
wrote:

JNugent wrote:

It was Maggie and co that forced an end to tied housing.

Sheer, biased, blinkered, knee-jerk, nonsense.
The tied cottage was being "phased out" (pilloried as a
social anachronism) decades before 1979.
S'funny, that.
Had the tied cottages remained in their original use,
there'd be less need for hand-wringing over the housing
fate of agricultural workers, wouldn't there?

I didn't say it wasn't on the way out, I merely made the
point that Thatcher forced it to end. A subtle but
distinct difference that is obviously lost on you.

The more so because it was a lie.

So it wasn't a Thatcher government the introduced the "Right to Buy"
legislation then?

Greg Hennessy wrote:
On Mon, 22 Dec 2003 20:07:40 +0000 (UTC), "Cast_Iron"
wrote:


If you were to believe the CPRE, the SE is currently like
downtown Hong Hong during the rush hour, when the reality
is that approximately 15% of the land within 1 hours
commute of charring cross is built on.


A one hour commute by your favoured mode is only about ten
miles at most.

What are you wittering on about ?

Are you suggesting that there are open fields within that
area?


If you had a point you would have made it by now.



If you can't understand your own posts and responses to them I suggest you
go to school and learn.

JNugent wrote:
wrote:

Greg Hennessy wrote:

[ ... ]

If you were to believe the CPRE, the SE is currently like
downtown Hong Hong during the rush hour, when the reality
is that approximately 15% of the land within 1 hours
commute of charring cross is built on.

A one hour commute by your favoured mode is only about ten
miles at
most. Are you suggesting that there are open fields within
that area?

A one hour journey by car can take one (easily) up to 60
miles (probably not a lot more, unless one lives adjacent
to a motorway interchange).

So what are you talking about?

Try the last line of Greg Hennessy's post. Ten mile west of Charing Cross
doesn't even get you to Southall. travelling for the same distance in any
other direction is still well within the London conurbation.