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March 9th 11, 07:53 AM
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London Buses Run By The RATP
On Mar 8, 8:45*pm, Paul Corfield wrote:
On Tue, 8 Mar 2011 07:21:19 -0800 (PST), Paul wrote: Saw a London United bus on route 10 parked at the terminus at Kings Cross this afternoon. Underneath the "London United " logo was the logo for the RATP (Regie Autonome Des Transports Parisiens) which runs the buses, metro, trams and RER in Paris. The change of ownership only took place late last week. First report I've heard of the RATP logo appearing on a bus. This was news to me, at it remains to be seen what difference French ownership might make. Very little in the short term I would expect. Even medium to long term I doubt much will happen with London United. RATP might try to buy out Epsom Buses as they'd be a logical fit with London United but other than that I would expect it to be "business as usual". What is more interesting is that RATP have bought the Bath Bus Company which runs sightseeing services in Bath. In former times it did compete for tendered services and the head of the operation used to work for First Group in the South West! *Whether RATP see it as a springboard for taking on tendered work again or competing head to head with First remains to be seen. RATP also own Yellow Buses in Bournemouth - an operation transformed under Transdev ownership. Worth noting that in Paris, two thirds of the buses stop running at 8:30pm, and only about half run on Sundays. To be fair the Paris bus network is vastly more comprehensive, frequent and extensive than it used to be. *RATP and STIF realised that the network could make a far bigger contribution and have funded expansion for several years. I think they took part of their cue from London's experience under the early years of Ken. I would suggest you refresh your understanding of the Paris bus network via this link. http://www.ratp.fr/informer/pdf/orie...=reseaux&nompd.... No bus stops at 20.30 M-F - the time is now 22.00 and only two routes seem to stop. *Many routes are daily and very few adopt the "barre" system of part route operation on Sundays. -- Paul C I think their website must be out of date then, If you look at http://www.ratp.fr/plan-interactif/cartebus.php, you can select "en journee", "en soiree" or "dimanche et fetes". By switching from one to the other, you can see which routes run in the day, but do not run in the evenings or on Sundays. If you hover the mouse pointer over "en soiree", it says "Afficher la carte Bus Paris circulant apres 20:30." Taking one example, route 20 between the Gare De Lyon and the Gare St Lazare does not appear on the "en soiree" map. And yet the timetable shows it running up to 1am seven days a week. You live and learn. |
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March 9th 11, 12:27 PM
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lid (Arthur Figgis) wrote: *From:* Arthur Figgis *Date:* Tue, 08 Mar 2011 19:58:15 +0000 On 08/03/2011 18:51, Paul wrote: Purely coinicidentally, I was in Paris recently. The metro there generally has a reputation for being more reliable the the London Underground. France's external reputation for transport doesn't generally stand up to reality. Other useful French phrases I've come across are "retard" (=departure) and "service autocar" (=train not going to/from Paris). -- Arthur Figgis Surrey, UK Out of curiosity, I often check the RATP equivalent of the Live Update page: http://www.ratp.fr/informer/trafic/trafic.php Like LU, they seem to have spells when there's problems, although LU seem to have had a lot more recently with the Jubilee line signal system failures. As with the Underground, they had their spell of "accident grave de voyageur"s after the new year Loosely translated causes for delays a incident technique Technical problems accident grave de voyageur Person under a train le trafic est interrompu entre ..... There is no service between .... Les trains circulent avec des retards de XXXX minutes environ et des suppressions ou modifications... Trains are running about XXXX minutes late, with cancellations or changes to destinations Ces incidents sont à présent terminés mais les trains circulent avec des retards de XXXX minutes environ. These incidents have ended, but the trains are running about XXXX minutes late Les trains circulent avec des retards importants The trains are running with large delays Incident terminé à XXXX Incident at XXXX has ended Fin d'incident, reprise du trafic End of incident, trains now running Retour au trafic normal estimé vers XXXX Return to normal running estimated at XXXX En consèquence, les trains ne desservent pas les gares XXXX As a consequence, the trains are not going to / stopping at stations XXXX Le trafic est normal sur les autres lignes de XXXX Other lines on the XXX are running normally En répercussion du déclenchement d'un signal d'alarme en gare XXXX Because an alarm has been operated at XXXX station Un train en panne / En répercussion à une panne de matériel Faulty train incident de signalisation / panne de signalisation Signal problems En répercussion de divers incidents Because of various incidents En raison d'un incident voyageur Because of a passenger incident / accident En raison de la chute d'un voyageur entre deux voitures à XXXX Because of a passenger falling between two cars at XXXX En raison d'un colis suspect à XXXX Because of a suspect package at XXXX En raison d'un rail cassé à XXXX Because of a broken rail at XXXX En raison de la présence de voyageurs sur les voies à XXXX Because of people on the track at XXXX En répercussion des conditions climatiques Because of weather conditions En répercussion des conditions climatiques dégradées Because of worsening weather conditions En raison des chutes de neige, l'ensemble du réseau bus est paralysé Because of snow, there are no buses running Le Funiculaire est interrompu The funinulaire (to Sacre Coeur) isn't running and yesterday's delay on line 9 speaks for itself! Animal sur la voie Roger |
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March 9th 11, 12:33 PM
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On Mar 9, 12:27*pm, wrote:
In article , (Arthur Figgis) wrote: *From:* Arthur Figgis *Date:* Tue, 08 Mar 2011 19:58:15 +0000 On 08/03/2011 18:51, Paul wrote: Purely coinicidentally, I was in Paris recently. The metro there generally has a reputation for being more reliable the the London Underground. France's external reputation for transport doesn't generally stand up to reality. Other useful French phrases I've come across are "retard" (=departure) and "service autocar" (=train not going to/from Paris).. -- Arthur Figgis * * * * * * * * Surrey, UK Out of curiosity, I often check the RATP equivalent of the Live Update page:http://www.ratp.fr/informer/trafic/trafic.php Like LU, they seem to have spells when there's problems, although LU seem to have had a lot more recently with the Jubilee line signal system failures. As with the Underground, they had their spell of "accident grave de voyageur"s after the new year Loosely translated causes for delays a incident technique Technical problems accident grave de voyageur Person under a train le trafic est interrompu entre ..... There is no service between .... Les trains circulent avec des retards de XXXX minutes environ et des suppressions ou modifications... Trains are running about XXXX minutes late, with cancellations or changes to destinations Ces incidents sont pr sent termin s mais les trains circulent avec des retards de XXXX minutes environ. These incidents have ended, but the trains are running about XXXX minutes late Les trains circulent avec des retards importants The trains are running with large delays Incident termin XXXX Incident at XXXX has ended Fin d'incident, reprise du trafic End of incident, trains now running Retour au trafic normal estim vers XXXX Return to normal running estimated at XXXX En cons quence, les trains ne desservent pas les gares XXXX As a consequence, the trains are not going to / stopping at stations XXXX Le trafic est normal sur les autres lignes de XXXX Other lines on the XXX are running normally En r percussion du d clenchement d'un signal d'alarme en gare XXXX Because an alarm has been operated at XXXX station Un train en panne */ *En r percussion une panne de mat riel Faulty train incident de signalisation */ *panne de signalisation Signal problems En r percussion de divers incidents Because of various incidents En raison d'un incident voyageur Because of a passenger incident / accident En raison de la chute d'un voyageur entre deux voitures XXXX Because of a passenger falling between two cars at XXXX En raison d'un colis suspect XXXX Because of a suspect package at XXXX En raison d'un rail cass XXXX Because of a broken rail at XXXX En raison de la pr sence de voyageurs sur les voies XXXX Because of people on the track at XXXX En r percussion des conditions climatiques Because of weather conditions En r percussion des conditions climatiques d grad es Because of worsening weather conditions En raison des chutes de neige, l'ensemble du r seau bus est paralys Because of snow, there are no buses running Le Funiculaire est interrompu The funinulaire (to Sacre Coeur) isn't running and yesterday's delay on line 9 speaks for itself! Animal sur la voie Roger- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Of course, if you live in Paris (or anywhere else in France for that matter) you will come to understand what "..Suite a un preavis de greve..." means. |
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March 10th 11, 08:11 PM
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On 2011-03-08 19:58:15 +0000, Arthur Figgis said:
On 08/03/2011 18:51, Paul wrote: Purely coinicidentally, I was in Paris recently. The metro there generally has a reputation for being more reliable the the London Underground. France's external reputation for transport doesn't generally stand up to reality. Other useful French phrases I've come across are "retard" (=departure) and "service autocar" (=train not going to/from Paris). Un autocar is a coach or bus. As someone else said, retard means delay or lateness as in RETARD 5MN = 5 minute delay. Steve Sangwine |
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March 10th 11, 10:51 PM
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On Mar 10, 8:11*pm, Stephen Sangwine wrote: On 2011-03-08 19:58:15 +0000, Arthur Figgis said: On 08/03/2011 18:51, Paul wrote: Purely coinicidentally, I was in Paris recently. The metro there generally has a reputation for being more reliable the the London Underground. France's external reputation for transport doesn't generally stand up to reality. Other useful French phrases I've come across are "retard" (=departure) and "service autocar" (=train not going to/from Paris). Un autocar is a coach or bus. As someone else said, retard means delay or lateness as in RETARD 5MN = 5 minute delay. Mr Figgis knows this very well... |
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March 10th 11, 10:57 PM
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Mizter T wrote: On Mar 10, 8:11*pm, Stephen Sangwine wrote: On 2011-03-08 19:58:15 +0000, Arthur Figgis said: On 08/03/2011 18:51, Paul wrote: Purely coinicidentally, I was in Paris recently. The metro there generally has a reputation for being more reliable the the London Underground. France's external reputation for transport doesn't generally stand up to reality. Other useful French phrases I've come across are "retard" (=departure) and "service autocar" (=train not going to/from Paris). Un autocar is a coach or bus. As someone else said, retard means delay or lateness as in RETARD 5MN = 5 minute delay. Mr Figgis knows this very well... I got it, although not been to Paris for far too long ... Nick -- Serendipity: http://www.leverton.org/blosxom (last update 29th March 2010) "The Internet, a sort of ersatz counterfeit of real life" -- Janet Street-Porter, BBC2, 19th March 1996 |
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March 11th 11, 09:01 PM
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On Tue, 8 Mar 2011, Mizter T wrote:
RATP London United will continue providing bus services under (quite tightly specified) contract to TfL, just as Abellio - owned by Nederlandse Spoorwegen (the Dutch railway company, wholly state owned) - and Arriva - owned by Deutsche Bahn (again wholly state owned) - also do. Of course, we mustn't forget our own Network Rail's many highly profitable forays into applying their considerable professional expertise overseas. BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAA! tom -- Argumentative and pedantic, oh, yes. Although it's properly called "correct" -- Huge |
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March 11th 11, 09:03 PM
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On Tue, 8 Mar 2011, Paul Corfield wrote:
I would suggest you refresh your understanding of the Paris bus network via this link. http://www.ratp.fr/informer/pdf/orie...s_paris&fm=gif No bus stops at 20.30 M-F - the time is now 22.00 and only two routes seem to stop. Many routes are daily and very few adopt the "barre" system of part route operation on Sundays. What's the 'barre' system? I had a google but couldn't find anything. tom -- There are only three ways of creating wealth. You dig it up, grow it, or convert it to add value, anything else is merely moving it about. -- Sir John Rose |
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March 12th 11, 12:48 AM
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On Mar 12, 8:01*am, Tom Anderson wrote:
On Tue, 8 Mar 2011, Mizter T wrote: RATP London United will continue providing bus services under (quite tightly specified) contract to TfL, just as Abellio - owned by Nederlandse Spoorwegen (the Dutch railway company, wholly state owned) - and Arriva - owned by Deutsche Bahn (again wholly state owned) - also do. Of course, we mustn't forget our own Network Rail's many highly profitable forays into applying their considerable professional expertise overseas. BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAA! Missing the gag here. NR's job is to own & maintain the GB rail infrastructure, not run transport services, so it's not surprising it doesn't operate buses in France. Many UK-based train companies have been successful (or at least, profitable) at running public transport overseas - Stagecoach, First and NEG all do, and Arriva did well enough that Deutsche Bahn paid two billion euros for them and put Arriva management in charge of all its international operations. -- John Band john at johnband dot org www.johnband.org |
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