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Saw a London United bus on route 10 parked at the terminus at Kings
Cross this afternoon. Underneath the "London United " logo was the logo for the RATP (Regie Autonome Des Transports Parisiens) which runs the buses, metro, trams and RER in Paris. This was news to me, at it remains to be seen what difference French ownership might make. Worth noting that in Paris, two thirds of the buses stop running at 8:30pm, and only about half run on Sundays. |
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On Tue, 8 Mar 2011 07:21:19 -0800 (PST), Paul
wrote: Saw a London United bus on route 10 parked at the terminus at Kings Cross this afternoon. Underneath the "London United " logo was the logo for the RATP (Regie Autonome Des Transports Parisiens) which runs the buses, metro, trams and RER in Paris. This was news to me, at it remains to be seen what difference French ownership might make. Well, it's been French since 1997. Does it look like the logo on http://www.lonutd.co.uk ? They need to "relooker" the title of the site I think. Worth noting that in Paris, two thirds of the buses stop running at 8:30pm, and only about half run on Sundays. I always thought that odd, but then the geography, history, coverage of the metro and travelling patterns are quite different. I'm glad to hear that the logos have gone up already, I'm still waiting to see one here. I think the RATP logo is a future classic of graphic design. I hope it lasts as long as TfL's roundel, now making a return on the buses, the hand that feeds should never have been hidden away IMO. I wonder if the two can co-exist? Richard. |
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On 08/03/2011 20:16, Richard wrote:
On Tue, 8 Mar 2011 07:21:19 -0800 (PST), wrote: Saw a London United bus on route 10 parked at the terminus at Kings Cross this afternoon. Underneath the "London United " logo was the logo for the RATP (Regie Autonome Des Transports Parisiens) which runs the buses, metro, trams and RER in Paris. This was news to me, at it remains to be seen what difference French ownership might make. Well, it's been French since 1997. Does it look like the logo on http://www.lonutd.co.uk ? They need to "relooker" the title of the site I think. Worth noting that in Paris, two thirds of the buses stop running at 8:30pm, and only about half run on Sundays. I always thought that odd, but then the geography, history, coverage of the metro and travelling patterns are quite different. I'm glad to hear that the logos have gone up already, I'm still waiting to see one here. I think the RATP logo is a future classic of graphic design. I hope it lasts as long as TfL's roundel, now making a return on the buses, the hand that feeds should never have been hidden away IMO. I wonder if the two can co-exist? Richard. I notice that some busses have the Nederlandse Spoorwegen insignia on them. Is DB around anywhere? |
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On Mar 8, 8:45*pm, Paul Corfield wrote:
On Tue, 8 Mar 2011 07:21:19 -0800 (PST), Paul wrote: Saw a London United bus on route 10 parked at the terminus at Kings Cross this afternoon. Underneath the "London United " logo was the logo for the RATP (Regie Autonome Des Transports Parisiens) which runs the buses, metro, trams and RER in Paris. The change of ownership only took place late last week. First report I've heard of the RATP logo appearing on a bus. This was news to me, at it remains to be seen what difference French ownership might make. Very little in the short term I would expect. Even medium to long term I doubt much will happen with London United. RATP might try to buy out Epsom Buses as they'd be a logical fit with London United but other than that I would expect it to be "business as usual". What is more interesting is that RATP have bought the Bath Bus Company which runs sightseeing services in Bath. In former times it did compete for tendered services and the head of the operation used to work for First Group in the South West! *Whether RATP see it as a springboard for taking on tendered work again or competing head to head with First remains to be seen. RATP also own Yellow Buses in Bournemouth - an operation transformed under Transdev ownership. Worth noting that in Paris, two thirds of the buses stop running at 8:30pm, and only about half run on Sundays. To be fair the Paris bus network is vastly more comprehensive, frequent and extensive than it used to be. *RATP and STIF realised that the network could make a far bigger contribution and have funded expansion for several years. I think they took part of their cue from London's experience under the early years of Ken. I would suggest you refresh your understanding of the Paris bus network via this link. http://www.ratp.fr/informer/pdf/orie...=reseaux&nompd.... No bus stops at 20.30 M-F - the time is now 22.00 and only two routes seem to stop. *Many routes are daily and very few adopt the "barre" system of part route operation on Sundays. -- Paul C I think their website must be out of date then, If you look at http://www.ratp.fr/plan-interactif/cartebus.php, you can select "en journee", "en soiree" or "dimanche et fetes". By switching from one to the other, you can see which routes run in the day, but do not run in the evenings or on Sundays. If you hover the mouse pointer over "en soiree", it says "Afficher la carte Bus Paris circulant apres 20:30." Taking one example, route 20 between the Gare De Lyon and the Gare St Lazare does not appear on the "en soiree" map. And yet the timetable shows it running up to 1am seven days a week. You live and learn. |
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On Tue, 8 Mar 2011, Paul Corfield wrote:
I would suggest you refresh your understanding of the Paris bus network via this link. http://www.ratp.fr/informer/pdf/orie...s_paris&fm=gif No bus stops at 20.30 M-F - the time is now 22.00 and only two routes seem to stop. Many routes are daily and very few adopt the "barre" system of part route operation on Sundays. What's the 'barre' system? I had a google but couldn't find anything. tom -- There are only three ways of creating wealth. You dig it up, grow it, or convert it to add value, anything else is merely moving it about. -- Sir John Rose |
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On Fri, 11 Mar 2011, Paul Corfield wrote:
On Fri, 11 Mar 2011 21:03:32 +0000, Tom Anderson wrote: On Tue, 8 Mar 2011, Paul Corfield wrote: I would suggest you refresh your understanding of the Paris bus network via this link. http://www.ratp.fr/informer/pdf/orie...s_paris&fm=gif No bus stops at 20.30 M-F - the time is now 22.00 and only two routes seem to stop. Many routes are daily and very few adopt the "barre" system of part route operation on Sundays. What's the 'barre' system? I had a google but couldn't find anything. Strictly there should be an acute accent on the last "e". All barré means is that a bus does not cover the full daytime route. Barré usually applies evenings and Sundays and the route number displayed on the bus has a diagonal line (or slash) across it to show that barré operates. Ah, je comprends, merci. Essentially like our N mechanism for night buses, except that (a) without the bit where sometimes N means an extended or altered route, and (b) applying on earlier, and on sundays. And (c) using an overprinted symbol rather than modifying the route number. But similar in all other ways! If you click on the link above you will see the table of route numbers against days / times of day at the bottom. The diagonal line is shown under certain routes. Oh, i thought that was a bowling scoresheet! tom -- A plug on its back, straining to suck voltage from the sky |
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Paul Corfield wrote on 12 March 2011 11:21:30 ...
On Sat, 12 Mar 2011 10:56:52 +0000, Tom wrote: On Fri, 11 Mar 2011, Paul Corfield wrote: On Fri, 11 Mar 2011 21:03:32 +0000, Tom wrote: What's the 'barre' system? I had a google but couldn't find anything. Strictly there should be an acute accent on the last "e". All barré means is that a bus does not cover the full daytime route. Barré usually applies evenings and Sundays and the route number displayed on the bus has a diagonal line (or slash) across it to show that barré operates. Ah, je comprends, merci. Essentially like our N mechanism for night buses, except that (a) without the bit where sometimes N means an extended or altered route, and (b) applying on earlier, and on sundays. And (c) using an overprinted symbol rather than modifying the route number. But similar in all other ways! Err sort of. I think the barré concept has been in existence for a very long time so the French are very familiar with it. The only UK equivalent I can think of is the "E" suffix used on buses in Birmingham which indicates a short journey. I'm sure there must be others but I can't think of any. Paris now has quite a decent night bus network (Noctambus) and each route is lettered rather than numbered. Not quite as frequent as some of London's busiest routes but a welcome development given what existed a few years ago (i.e. not much). Many of the night routes stretch out into the suburbs and parallel the RER and Transilien rail network. Noctambus was the old night bus network with 18 lettered routes. The new night bus network, introduced in 2005, is called Noctilien, and has 42 numbered routes preceded by "N", e.g. N24. -- Richard J. (to email me, swap 'uk' and 'yon' in address) |
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On Sat, 12 Mar 2011, Paul Corfield wrote:
On Sat, 12 Mar 2011 10:56:52 +0000, Tom Anderson wrote: On Fri, 11 Mar 2011, Paul Corfield wrote: On Fri, 11 Mar 2011 21:03:32 +0000, Tom Anderson wrote: What's the 'barre' system? I had a google but couldn't find anything. If you click on the link above you will see the table of route numbers against days / times of day at the bottom. The diagonal line is shown under certain routes. Oh, i thought that was a bowling scoresheet! Oh I think you might just be teasing me with that response. You're cleverer than that. I should have realised it wasn't - there aren't nearly enough strikes. tom -- It sounds very much like a rock group consisting of a drum machine and a few 56k modems. -- Jon |
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