An item from todays London news

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-12764741

On Mar 16, 7:28*pm, upinthesky wrote:
An item from todays London news

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-12764741

Most interesting - also linked to (via 'more like this') at the end is
this short piece on the major work and excavation underway at
Tottenham Court Road station:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-12635942

"upinthesky" wrote in message
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An item from todays London news

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-12764741

Poor soul - "It's going to be complicated working out where you are going
with all the branches" (or something similar).

Obviously never been somewhere like Stratford or Clapham Jn...

Paul S

On Mar 16, 10:02*pm, Paul Corfield wrote:
[snip]
Obviously never been somewhere like Stratford or Clapham Jn...

Well exactly. *Crossrail is hardly complicated in comparison to what
people who use (former Southern Region) main line services cope with
every day [1].

[1] As I've said before I find those networks relatively complex but
that is only because of unfamiliarity. I'm sure if I had to use them
regularly I would quickly pick up service and stopping patterns.

I do think the complexity and changeability of the service patterns
puts off those who aren't regulars though.

In message , at 22:02:02 on
Wed, 16 Mar 2011, Paul Corfield remarked:
Poor soul - "It's going to be complicated working out where you are going
with all the branches" (or something similar).

Send him to Paris and dump him in Chatelet Les Halles and see how he
copes. Alternatively I suggest he tries to find his way round the Tokyo
rail system.

I'd have thought Earls Court (District Line) was sufficiently complex,
and much nearer to home
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Roland Perry

"Paul Corfield" wrote in message
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On Wed, 16 Mar 2011 19:39:25 -0000, "Paul Scott"
wrote:

"upinthesky" wrote in message
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An item from todays London news

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-12764741

Not entirely convinced about the train indicators *only* being above the
platform doors.

Am I right in thinking Crossrail will have trains of different lengths
operating? Having indicators over the platform doors would then double up
as indicators to which doors would open.

"Graham Harrison" wrote in message
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Am I right in thinking Crossrail will have trains of different lengths
operating? Having indicators over the platform doors would then double
up as indicators to which doors would open.

Originally it was going to be two 5x20m units in multiple, with single units
used offpeak, but the recent ITT is for a fleet of 10 car fixed formation
trains. (There is a caveat though, as apparently some trains will
temporarily enter service between Shenfield and Liverpool St in an 8 car
formation.)

Paul S

"Paul Scott" wrote in message
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"Graham Harrison" wrote in
message ...

Am I right in thinking Crossrail will have trains of different lengths
operating? Having indicators over the platform doors would then double
up as indicators to which doors would open.

Originally it was going to be two 5x20m units in multiple, with single
units used offpeak, but the recent ITT is for a fleet of 10 car fixed
formation trains. (There is a caveat though, as apparently some trains
will temporarily enter service between Shenfield and Liverpool St in an 8
car formation.)

Paul S

Ok, nice theory blown away!

Greetings.

In article , Paul Corfield
wrote:
On Wed, 16 Mar 2011 19:39:25 -0000, "Paul Scott"
wrote:

"upinthesky" wrote in message
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An item from todays London news

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-12764741

Not entirely convinced about the train indicators *only* being above the
platform doors. It's a good idea as a supplement but I can't think of a
system anywhere in the world that is analogous to Crossrail where you
don't have train destination indicators at height above the platform
waiting area.

Stations for the GO Transit system don't usually have such indicators, but
I don't know what you count as being "analogous to Crossrail".

Regards,
Tristan

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Greetings.

In article , Paul Corfield
wrote:
On Fri, 18 Mar 2011 10:32:09 +0000, Tristan Miller
wrote:

Stations for the GO Transit system don't usually have such indicators,
but I don't know what you count as being "analogous to Crossrail".

RER in Paris [1], S Bahn in Germany, main line profile cross city lines
in Italy (Milan), City Rail in Sydney (has several tunnel sections),
Thameslink? I'm excluding Metros and Subways as they are usually not
main line profile / capacity.

I haven't used Go Transit in Toronto but most main line rail lines on
the North American continent are nowhere near as frequent or as
intensively used as those in Europe or Asia. New York and Boston might
provide exceptions to this.

GO Transit, actually -- the first word is (or was) an acronym for
"Government of Ontario". According to their website
http://www.gotransit.com/public/en/aboutus/whatisgo.aspx, there are 7
lines serving 59 stations and running on 390 km of track. The fleet is 42
trainsets consisting collectively of 70 locomotives and 495 bi-level
passenger cars. Each weekday there are 185 train trips with a total
ridership of 180,000. However, the main east-west lines, running from
Hamilton to Toronto and Toronto to Oshawa, are by far the busiest,
accounting for about half the ridership. On those two lines there seems to
be about one train per hour for most of the day, and three trains per hour
at peak times.

I'm not sure how these numbers compare to those of the systems you listed,
or to the numbers projected for Crossrail. Anyone?

Regards,
Tristan

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